I’ve been noticing more discussion in the mainstream media of the consequences of radically shifting social norms during the last fifty years. From James Taranto at the Wall St. Journal to Frank Bruni at the New York Times, men are stepping up and dissecting the long-term effects of the Women’s Movement on both sexes.
Jeremy Nicholson is a psychologist who specializes in persuasion and influence as it applies to dating. He’s frank about the fallout as well. He addresses the problem from a clinical or behavioral standpoint rather than a political one, but he has several interesting essays on his blog at Psychology Today.
In a recent post he addressed the high level of frustration men are experiencing in dating today. Previously, he had written about what he calls the “double bind” of female sexuality – women may lust after one type of man, but prefer to attach to a different type of man. It’s the Goldilocks dilemma, and finding just the right mix of traits is a challenge, leaving many women unhappy in this SMP.
With those two “feelings” juxtaposed, women often find themselves unfulfilled in love. Many that I talk to seem to hover between what they call “nice guys” and “jerks” in their dating life. They become attracted to “jerks” for their status, ambition, and dominance—only to be hurt when those men don’t live up to the cooperative and considerate cultural standard for an attachment partner. Women then may gravitate towards a culturally prescribed “nice guy,” only to find that they become bored, their libido wanes, and their eyes wander back to “jerks.” Either way, they find the relationships largely frustrating and unsatisfying.
Of course, this isn’t exactly news for regular readers of HUS. Echoing what so many men have expressed here, Nicholson then shares the male perspective:
If men choose to follow social norms and become compliant as “good guys”, they may get a “relationship partner”. However, due to women’s social vs. biological double-bind, these compliant men may also not be “attractive” to those same relationship partners (Buss & Shackelford, 2008). As a result, they may be punished by their girlfriend’s/wife’s lack of sexual interest, being cheated on, or disrespected as a “push over”. These men may further be regarded as “just friends”—expected to pay for all of the costs of a relationship, without the physical and intimate benefits.
In contrast, if men shun social pressures to be “nice” and follow what is biologically attractive, they have a higher likelihood of getting “sex partners”. However, these men are often punished by being socially labeled as “jerks”, “players”, or even “creeps”, unfit for socially-defined relationships. Furthermore, their tactics are often designated as “sexist” (Hall & Canterberry, 2011). Therefore, these men may get sex, but they often do not get love and respect.
Nicholson reports that men in both camps report finding an attractive long-term partner difficult. Of course, men are in a double-bind of their own. The females they deem attractive - women who are sexually-selective, faithful, physically attractive, and have a pleasant, respectful disposition – are in short supply because they too have been guided away from biological characteristics and steered toward new social norms instead. With so few incentives, it’s not surprising that many men would abandon such a seemingly hopeless quest.
Nicholson doesn’t have the answers – like me, he concludes that the only thing we can do at present is muddle through as best we can. To that end, he offers his observations of the four primary strategies he observes men using today.
1. Player
Nicholson is a fan of Game for the same reason I am – he feels that the overall message of empowerment and self-development for men is positive. He does caution that assertive PUA tactics do not produce lasting relationships:
Becoming Attractive - one strategy adopted by some men is to become attractive, dominant, and sexually-forward. These are the guys who are often labeled “players”, “macks”, and “pick-up artists”. With this strategy, men are often able to fulfill their short-term sexual needs—especially within the modern, socially-sanctioned climate of “hook-ups” and causal encounters. Many of these tactics, however, primarily attract women who are focused on short-term flings with attractive men.
…The results of the study (Hall and Canterbury, 2011) primarily indicate that [PUA] tactics are used for short-term mating and casual sex. Both the men who employ them and the women who find them attractive are high in sociosexual orientation – basically looking for more casual encounters. Furthermore, there is strong support that the women who find these “assertive” tactics appealing have more traditional/sexist views about women (higher in both hostile and benevolent sexism).
…The strategies help men and women looking for short-term sex find each other and connect. Other strategies might be better suited for those looking for a monogamous marriage partner instead of a fling.
The study looked at aggressive courtship strategies, including:
- competing with other men who are also interested in the woman
- teasing or “negging” the woman
- isolating her away from her friends
In response, women with a preference for ‘no strings attached’ sex and negative attitudes towards other women are more likely to respond to men’s aggressive strategies.
2. Nice Beta Guy
Another approach guys use is the “pure beta” approach, which requires a level of vigilance and “expecting the worst” that surely won’t appeal to most men:
Partnering Carefully - another strategy adopted by some men is to adhere to social norms and become a “good guy” or even “domestic partner”. These men often find relationships more easily. However, men who follow this strategy should pick their partner carefully. Men successful with this strategy attempt to find an honest and faithful partner, who respects their needs, and is grateful for their contributions. Men pursuing this strategy also report the need to stay vigilant for their partner’s waning attraction, signs of cheating, and being taken for granted (much as women in “traditional” relationships do). With divorce a very real (and punishing) possibility, these men may also choose to think carefully before committing.
3. The Whole Package
The most difficult to pull off, this is the strategy that I recommend to women here at HUS. It’s a long-term strategy, requiring considerable investment both in self-development, and in qualifying potential partners. The goal is to practice this strategy while seeking someone else who does the same.
Holding High Standards - yet other men continue to hold high standards for both themselves and their partners. They invest in their own attractiveness, value, and success. They also treat partners equitably according to their behavior, worth, and contributions to the relationship. These men further qualify and screen partners well, not selling themselves short for less than they deserve. This approach takes constant effort though—both in the man maintaining his own standards, and in his motivating and inspiring others to do so too. It also requires patience in searching for someone who can live up to those desired standards. However, these efforts are often met with a partner who is attracted to them, respectful, and attractive for them too.
Nicholson cites a plethora of research identifying self-control and conscientiousness as the two most important personality traits for relationship success. He suggests four ways to screen for these traits:
- Attention span – Is the person focused in general and attentive to you?
- Delayed gratification – Is the person self-indulgent or patient and willing to work towards a goal?
- Planning – Avoid people who “wing it” or are overly spontaneous
- Achievement – Does the person “get things done?” Do they finish what they start?
4. MGTOW
This is the non-mating strategy. More men are making this choice, decreasing the pool of potential partners for women.
Opting Out - finally, some men choose opting out as the best option for them. This is sometimes known as the “men going their own way” (MGTOW) movement. Essentially, these are the guys who have been frustrated and punished to the point that they see no further incentive to relate. Rather than spending their efforts on material success to attract a partner, they focus on making themselves happy. Although these guys are often socially-shamed as “not growing up”, in fact, they are arguably just reacting to the lack of outside motivation…and taking care of themselves.
What does this mean for women?
It’s not easy to snag the Whole Package.
If you have high expectations for a man, you’d better make sure you’re holding yourself to the same standards.
Go for guys in the same SMV (sexual market value) range as you. Select for character traits and achievement. Express appreciation and respect to deserving guys.
If you’re lucky enough to land one of these men, lock it down. Don’t foolishly delay commitment because your 20s are about “having fun” and “being single.” Commitment -minded men who are accomplished and attractive are becoming increasingly rare. Grab one if you can, even if he’s still young and a bit rough around the edges. It’s doubtful you’ll get another chance.
Avoid players.
Players are strictly for short-term use. If you decide to have a fling with a player, be aware that you’re also demonstrating a lack of self-control to the ideal guy you haven’t met yet. Don’t play the loser’s game of thinking you can flip a cad. They never stay flipped for long.
Avoid men who do not attract you sexually.
A long-term monogamous commitment will fail if you are not attracted to your partner. It’s unfair to both parties. Furthermore, if a man is fearful that your attraction will wane, the relationship is doomed. He will become increasingly insecure, jealous and possessive, torturing himself and repelling you. Don’t go there.
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Are you going to find out the baby’s gender? I wanted to be surprised with #1, but asked with #2.
Impatient type here so Yes. I want to start calling him/her by the name we are going to choose and talk to my parents with specific gender terms, the baby is getting tiresome.
@Ana–You really don’t feel a lot of movement until the baby get big enough to exert some pressure against the uterine walls. By the end, you can feel every little movement.
Yes I know by the ultrasounds that the baby has a favorite corner already all my friends are telling me how “fun” that will be when is 7 pounds of baby sitting on the same place…can’t wait! :p
I don’t want to sound insensitive, but she’s still got it pretty darned good compared to tons of other women in the world.
I think hubby said that compared to the rest of the world Americans are the 1%.
If you’re bored, get a hobby.
I wonder if Eat, Pray and Love would had been as successful if Elizabeth Gilbert would had used her “identity crisis” not to break her marriage but to take on pottery/coking class, kayak or even bungee jumping…
Yeah, I know. On a fantasy level, we want the prince, and you guys just want a cross between June Cleaver and Anna Nicole Smith. Everyone has to settle.
http://weknowmemes.com/2012/01/porn-movies-and-disney/
I think the word settling sounds too ugly still. Is better to frame it as understanding that growing up is about knowing that a house made out of candy represents a lot of problems (melting in the rain, ants, people eating the walls while you are using the bathroom…) and is better to live on a house made out of real lasting materials than the dream house with gingerbread roof.
I don’t call it settling I call it making your expectations match reality, YMMV.
El Marques, ah, remember that Jesus (a figure of light polarity) said, “I am the alpha and the omega”?
There is positive charisma just as there is negative charisma. To deny the power and allure of the “dark side” would be to ignore reality. Don’t forget the rise of Hitler, Stalin and other malicious but beloved tyrants and dictators.
The negative alphas are also part of the system. You’ll have to dig deeper into the power structures to find them. Think bribery, backstabbing, blackmail, that sort of thing. They are sometimes hidden in plain sight, so to speak.
There is tremendous power in sexual energies. Every society knows this and deal with it in different ways. The Middle East suppresses it and censors it, for example. The PUA methodology sidesteps the “system” to get at it via back alley ways (no pun intended). And, for example, prostitution rings and powerful men in government seem to be connected and implicated quite often together.
Positive alphas and negative alphas are diametrically opposed. Clearly you don’t have much use for the negative alphas, and don’t think much of them, nor the acolytes who are following/worshipping their figureheads on the negative path. Nonetheless they have their brand of appeal, just as positive alphas appeal to their respective audience.
It’s quite an old conflict, if you think about it.
What is funny is that the first time I ever saw GBFM make a post, I understood what he was getting at. His recent posts show he’s drawing more and more dots on the picture, so it is easier to connect them.
El Marqués seems to understand the muted brilliance.
@Hope
You still don’t get male hierarchies entirely, and I hope that quote from Jesus was meant as a joke…
alpha and omega in the biblical sense have a very different meaning. I know you’re of Chinese background and probably schooled in Eastern circular thinking of the world but Jesus here refers to him being “the beginning and the end” not the positive and negative, that’s Eastern thinking.
Hitler and Stalin and many other famous men of history were total utter omegas before the PBT decided to use them as tools. Hitler was a male prostitute living in a shelter in Vienna, Stalin a convicted robber and thief.. Power might have converted them in perceived political alphas, but that doesn’t mean they were SOCIAL alphas, because that’s what it’s about. Social dominance, not political, not economical, well, at least not without the social aspect.
Lastly, don’t you think someone having to use bribery, backstabbing or blackmailing would rather rapidly risk the cooperation of betas around him? Why do you think the King of Spain addressed his people in a public excuse today for going elephant hunting while the country is in crisis? Because even he realizes that “negative alpha charisma” would rather quickly result in him losing his alpha privileges and maybe even his head.
So, no, there are no negative alphas, stop it. The old conflict you’re talking about is strength against weakness, alpha against omega, the children of God against the children of disobedience, where the latter fake to be the former to gain an advantage and confuse average people.
The rest of your post about sexual energies lost me. Please rephrase, if you want to help me understand.
Alias:
“The woman is scowling at what she’s been told is abhorrent behavior.”
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Ramble:
“Alias, by that logic, she would scowl at ALL men that approach. But, as we all know, she is only scowling at some men, and not others.”
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Ramble,
I didn’t leave that part out. I wrote –-> (unless it’s a guy they like)”
See;
“Men will think that if they pursue they are a-holes (and that other men who do are a-holes).
Women will think that if men pursue them they are a-holes (unless it’s a guy they like.)”
If it was culturally acceptable that men approach women they’re interested in, then neither gender sees it as an a-hole move, regardless of whether the woman’s mutually attracted to him or not, as long as the guy doesn’t cross the line (groping, threats, cursing, not taking no for an answer, using sexually explicit words, exposing himself).
No nuclear rejections for men; requesting a dance, complimenting her, using some silly pick-up line, or striking up a conversation with her, a simple “no, thank you” suffices, then it’s business as usual.
If it was culturally acceptable that men approach women they’re interested in,
If it is me or this is the saddest thing I ever read on HUS?
Congrats to the preggers ladies, Hope & Anacaona
Those first little flutters are so heartwarming.
@ Anacaona:
“I wonder if Eat, Pray and Love would had been as successful if Elizabeth Gilbert would had used her “identity crisis” not to break her marriage but to take on pottery/coking class, kayak or even bungee jumping…”
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lol bungee jumping
Elizabeth gets too much credit for EPL divorces.
She was only 10, when this song came out so perhaps we should blame Donna Summer and Barbara Streisand for frivolous divorces.
Check out these lyrics:
No More Tears (Enough Is Enough) 1979
It’s raining It’s pouring
My love life is boring me to tears
After all these years
No sunshine No moonlight
No stardust No sign of romance
We don’t stand a chance
I always dreamed I’d find the perfect lover
But he turned out to be Like every other man I loved, I loved
Raining Pouring There’s nothing left for us here
And we won’t waste another tear
If you’ve had enough Don’t put up
With his stuff Don’t you do it
Now, if you’ve had your fill Get the check
Pay the bill You can do it
Tell him to just get out
Nothing left to talk about
Pack his raincoat, show him out
Just look him in the eye and simply shout
Enough is enough is enough I can’t go on
I can’t go on no more no
Enough is enough is enough I want him out
I want him out that door now
If it was culturally acceptable that men approach women they’re interested in,
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Anacaona:
“If it is me or this is the saddest thing I ever read on HUS?”
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Did you miss the link Ramble posted?
(Not that I’ve personally encountered this at work, nor are the men trying to pickup women left and right, but I hear it’s strict in some places.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBVuAGFcGKY
El Marques, I am not interested in refuting you or a semantics debate. I was in fact expecting more resistance and pushback from the other direction. Usually that happens when I bring this up.
As for the other stuff, I’m not really able to explain without going into more depth than I feel like talking about right now. Sorry.
Did you miss the link Ramble posted?
(Not that I’ve personally encountered this at work, nor are the men trying to pickup women left and right, but I hear it’s strict in some places.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBVuAGFcGKY
I actually missed the link but I’m a huge SNL fan so I did watched the sketch on TV. Would you believe me if I tell I actually though they were joking…for real?
Alias, I think I understand what you are trying to convey, but, it is still entitlement.
Oh, and it’s highly unlikely that he’s Roissy’s alter ego if you understand where he’s hinting at.
OK, I’ll bite. What do you mean by “where he’s hinting at”? And who is “he”? GBFM or R?
Unless R is Otto Weininger reborn, which I doubt.
LOL. There is a similarity in outlook. Perhaps that’s why the loons at Stormfront insist the R is some sort of crypto-Jew.
(For the uninitiated, Lady Raine, who used to call Roissy “Jimmy the Jew,” published a letter a few years back from a reader who corrected her and claimed to have known Roissy as a Catholic boy of German and Italian background.)
@Ana
Yes I know by the ultrasounds that the baby has a favorite corner already all my friends are telling me how “fun” that will be when is 7 pounds of baby sitting on the same place…can’t wait! :p
IME, that place will be diretly above your bladder.
Also, I like the “candy house” metaphor.
Ramble:
“”Alias, I think I understand what you are trying to convey, but, it is still entitlement.
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Can you please explain?
If I insist that you eat a bowl of slimy snails while shoving it in front of your face and you make an expression of disgust and yell “NO!”, how’s that entitlement?
Rude- definitely!
Overboard and unnecessary- absolutely!
Entitled? (scratches head)
Again, I’m not defending a woman who’s rude to a guy that just expressed interest in her, but I’m just not seeing how that’s entitled.
IME, that place will be diretly above your bladder.
But of course!:D
Also, I like the “candy house” metaphor.
I did actually fantasize about living in a house made out of food when I was a kid so its been on my mind for a while
Ana–just saw the porn/Disney link. Funny stuff.
@ JUtRdr
Yeah, GBFM has found a great “alpha” way to communicate truth by omission. And he is “just the voice of eternal great books for men”, an unassailable position on top. Sheer brilliance. Hat tip to him if he’s reading along.
@Hope
No worries. You can keep the hobby horse. I get the Eastern dialectic of equal and opposing forces, don’t get me wrong, and I also know that Eastern thinking doesn’t put moral labels on either.
But in the West you’re facing the morally Good (Jesus) against the morally Bad (Pharisees). It’s embedded in our culture. What you’re doing is labelling the Bad “negative”, which is semantics, in that you’re right, but you’re also labelling them as alphas (the ones to be followed, remember), which just couldn’t be more wrong.
“to all aging necon womenz celeberating secretive tapings of butthex without teh girlths conthent lzozllzlzozlzl they tircked you too”
That was a really cheap shot.
@J
“On a fantasy level, we want the prince, and you guys just want a cross between June Cleaver and Anna Nicole Smith.”
I can’t speak for other men’s fantasies. Mine would be more a cross between Giada De Laurentiis and Catherine Deneuve circa 1966. So pardon me for trying to class up this joint. I think we can do better than a 1950s stock character and history’s most superficial gold digger : )
“If there is a problem it is that there is an undersupply of males who are naturally, spontaneously both sociopathic and empathic, both dominant and sensitive, both ambitious and humble, both attractive and socially prescribed.”
Women do a good job at being both dominant and sensitive. Don’t see why we can’t also.
If I insist that you eat a bowl of slimy snails while shoving it in front of your face and you make an expression of disgust and yell “NO!”, how’s that entitlement?
I am not getting your metaphor.
It’s OK if you don’t agree with the assessment. She thought that they were entitled. Obviously, not all girls are like this.
Some are intimidated.
Some enjoy it, but are not sure how to flirt.
etc.
@ J
Well, obviously GBFM is hinting at a secret connection between hook-up culture and female promiscuity (Tucker) and hyper-capitalist fiat money systems. (Goldman)
I didn’t know about the reader claiming R’s catholic Italian-German background. If the pics on the net are him, he doesn’t look either. More like a short, pale, sickly looking English Lit dude from Shropshire .. might be wrong, though.
@Alias
I never heard that song before. Very fitting. You know what movie reminds of our discussions about the description of women and how men are treated in the SMP? Chicago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB0CkB7mRiY
Poor Amos is so low what he is not even Omega he doesn’t even has a letter on the Greek alphabet, God bless him.
Yeah, GBFM has found a great “alpha” way to communicate truth by omission.
That explains why I keep ignoring him
pvw April 18, 2012 at 1:26 am
College Kid April 17, 2012 at 8:21 pm
“I’ll remind you that I’m writing here for an educated, young female audience. The behavior of American women overall is of little relevance here, because mating practices differ dramatically among socioeconomic groups.”
Good point. And for guys who don’t appreciated degreed women, there are tons of young women working every day at the fast food chains across the nation. The market is wide open, take your pick. I’m sure these girls would appreciate a wealthier man taking care of them.
My reply:
I agree…And yet, Charles Murray is suggesting in his latest book that numbers of these women are not marrying at all by age 24. Instead they are having children out of wedlock. They might think of marriage as an ideal, but doesn’t think it is available to them, ie., the men in their socioeconomic groups are not seen as marriageworthy. Or they don’t believe in marriage at all. They think having children is normal, but marriage, not as much. Marriage is stronger among the educated middle class. They still see marriage as the ideal and as presenting the best circumstances for raising children. Thus, in comparing “Fishtown” and “Belmont,” he is describing marriage as having become an elite social good for the well-educated and middle class.
MY REPLY:
So its up to nice provider type guys who want young non-degreed, non-career wives to get to meet these girls before they get pregnant. Not that difficult considering all you have to do is drive thru and order fries and coke or a 7 layer burrito.
Ramble:
“I am not getting your metaphor.
It’s OK if you don’t agree with the assessment. She thought that they were entitled.”
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Some guys have described as an example:
scene- at a club
Guy: “Hey, how are you?” (or whatever other line) while he dances in front of the girl
Girl: ” I’m only here to dance with my friends, OK!”
b*tch schield, rolls eyes, dirty look, turns her back to him, her friends giggle
The girls are obnoxious, but I don’t define that as entitled.
Now, perhaps in that book you were referring to (which admittedly I haven’t read) there are other examples where the girls ARE entitled.
Ex- they think guys HAVE TO buy them drinks, or guys must open doors for them, guys must throw their jackets on a mud puddle so they can walk over it, etc …
Those are examples of entitlement.
Perhaps you were referring to an example like that?
Just Google ‘Aaron Russo Feminism’ and you will understand what GBFM is saying.
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so how does this relate to the PUA movement?>?!?!?
i’m getting there so clam the fuck down!!
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2) teh asscocking and anal sexing of girls with the assockcers and secrteive tapers of butthex who lie about tehir heiaght and are short, lying, douchbages being promoted as heores, while those bleeding to death in the neocns wars on foreign shores are ignored lzozlzlzlzzlzo
3) the constant barrage of ant-soul eductaion telling girls that their strong father who is trying to keep the short, lying docuhebag’s cock out of her ass and teh storng father who would beat the shit out of the assocker and short, lying secretive taper of butthex is really just oprressing her, and after ahwiel girls really ebgin to beleiev that teh fiat dollar is god and that ass cocking is tehir divine right and that any one who comes out agiants secrteiev tapings of asscockinsg is really just repressed. lzozlzlz
4) freud took everyying virtuius like love and committment and refusing temptations and labeled it a “repression” in the same way a fiat dollar takes everyoneg good like a hard day’s work and renders it worthless as the fiat master hire a police force to sezie the property ans assets while trianing women to lure men into marrigae and to “tame them” in jonah goldberg’s words and seize their asstts lzozlzlz. for the only problem with a fiat debt based dollar i=s that it is the opposite of welath lzozlzlz and thus the fiat masters devote tehir lives to rtrying to conbevert debt based fiat dollars into physical wealth and property which is why they come up with mba buzzwords and mba bubbles as the dot com bubble and real estate bubble and al l bubbles are the conscious mechanism via which fiat debt is covnerted into phsyical property as all teh risk is socilaized an dall teh profits privataized as worthless debt rtickles on down and phsycial proeprty and welath trickler on up form teh workwer creater artist and musician to the ifat matsers lzozlzozlzlzl and so the world is inverted as those who create are robbed, and those who bullshit are rewarded lzozlzlzozzlzlzl that is why leftists come out againats property rigts amnd anyone who advocates a fiat currency is aginst property rights lzozlzozzlzl as they want to be able to buy and seize your property by doing nothing but cxreatinge fiat debt zlzozlzl which is why they had to kill the family and debauch teh cultrue and currency lzozlzozlzl and kill teh heoric spirit and replace homer moses socrates aeneies with tcuekr max lzozllzlzl their butthexual secrteive tpaer of sodomy without teh girl’s conthen “siux foot tall” hero lzozlzlz
which brings us to the PUA movementy
as girls are deosuled and desouled and trained by the fed to seize a man’s assets and use their sex appeal not to serva a husband abnd fmaily but to transfer assets and weatlth form men to their pimp daddy ben beranke lzozlzlzlzlzl, by and by trhey lose their worth to men.
i mean lzozllzzl we’re not all that stoooopid lzozlz.
as a girl is deosuled in teh fiat fed noecon assocking secrteive tapings of butthex sessions, and converted into a soulless instrument of wealth transfer, her only value lies in the titllation that she provides, while the enertal chance for immortal love that our grandparenst knew and which fmeinsit professors label opression as the fed funds them to do, is lost forever lzozlzlzlzlzl!!
like a wise ghirl who wnats to live the glory honorable story of bride wife mother must strt as a vergin and then forver sevre and be loyal to one man lozzllzlzl
lzozlzlzllles! go all the femtards who are stoo stoopid and take lotsa cocka in all tehir orifices na dthen go “where idd lal the good men go?” when they hit 40 lzozlzlz google that roissy cartoone “where did all teh good men go? ms paint roissy cartoon” lzozlzlzl
http://roissy.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/2.jpg?w=500&h=375
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/05/11/ms-paint-windows-to-the-soul/
well anywayz as behind every woman now stands a banker pimp going “BE SURE TO GET AS MUCHMONEY OUT OF TEH BETAS AS POSSIBLE AND IN RETURN WE PROMISTE YOU SECRETIVETAPINGS FROM ASSOCKING ALPHAS FILMED WITHOUT YOUR CONTHENT,” it only makes sense that a man’s goal by and by beocmes to get a smuch sex as possible without paying for it lzozlzlzozlzlz.
and that’s where game comes in.
becayuse teh federal reserve funded feminisma nd cretaed feminisms to transfer welath from men to the fed, break up teh family, but teh kids in corprate state daycare, and expand teh powers of teh stae into teh home, repalcing teh classical rugged fateh with fiat cash, the fed created the PUA game by changing the game and stakcing it against men lzozlzlzlzllz
now the fed also supports the PUA game as men wearing furry hats and spenidng tehir days working wmeiangless jobs while buying books on game purporting to help them get tehir cocks wet onece every two years is exactly what the fed wants. they DO NO wan t the men to read mises or hayek or jefferson or the us constitution lzozlzlzlz they want to keep the men in the fiat masters’ cave — the fiat butthex matrix — “gaming” and fighting over the table scraps of all the desoulaed, haggaard, std-ridden, vicious, gold-digging, cold, defeminized, prozac-addled womenz the fiat masters buttthexed and deosuled in college during teh primae nocate ceremeonies, instead of manning up and fighting for their dvine irght to something far greater — an honorable, virtuous wife. lzozllzllzllzozzlzl
and so you get what we have here, which is the wya he wants it, well he gets it. some men you just can’t reach. lzozlzlzlzlzlzzlzl
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u can read how the federal reserve created da pua community zlozozzozoz
http://greatbooksformen.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/how-the-federal-reserve-system-created-the-pua-community-lzozlzlzloozlzllzll-they-do-no
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GBFM, what’s with your anal sex obsession. Its not even that common amongst heterosexuals. You’re a troll and your comments are too long. Edit out the lolzlolololololololozzzzzzzlololololzzzzz.
A woman raped a boy at knife point. What to make of this?
http://www.gadailynews.com/news/crime/83612-ohio-woman-jammie-phillips-raped-teenaged-boy-at-knife-point.html
Me either! Families with three are unusual in my community, though there are a small number of families who have had 4-6. I can’t even imagine…I had my first at 30, and two was a good number. If I’d started earlier I might have gone for a third, at most.
Had I known how much I was going to love my kids, I’d have had a couple more. I was over 40 when I miscarried the baby that would have been #3
@Megaman
I compliment you on your tastes. I used to do an amazing imitation of Deneuve in Repulsion and look sorta like I could be Giada’s mom.
Had I known how much I was going to love my kids, I’d have had a couple more. I was over 40 when I miscarried the baby that would have been #3
I wish I could afford more than 2 and that hubby also finds parenthood rewarding enough to do it more than twice, like you did. So far at least my relatively uneventful pregnancy seems to have soothed his fears that I was going to become an alien while pregnant or something along those lines. Crossing fingers for both.
@El Marqués
Well, obviously GBFM is hinting at a secret connection between hook-up culture and female promiscuity (Tucker) and hyper-capitalist fiat money systems. (Goldman)
I get that, but I don’t see how it invalidates the alter-ego theory. To me GBFM’s politics are Roissy’s on steroids.
I didn’t know about the reader claiming R’s catholic Italian-German background. If the pics on the net are him, he doesn’t look either. More like a short, pale, sickly looking English Lit dude from Shropshire .. might be wrong, though.
Doubting the veracity of one of Lady Raine’s commenters? Hmmm.
Actually, I have no idea, but I have seen the pix. Half-Italian (short, dark hair) is believable to me. I can see the Lit dude look as well.
It can be hard financially to have more than two these days. I cringe when I think about having two in college simultaneously.
El Marqués,
I also think that the discussion sometimes gets caught up in the Apha/Beta dichotomy to the point that it starts to lose its usefulness.
The real world is a lot more complicated than “mean alphas vs. nice betas”. Not all sexually attractive men are evil. And it’s very possible for a guy to be a “beta” in terms of SMV value, but still be a total dick.
I don’t know why I find GBFM so funny. I literally squealed with excitement when I saw his first post over here.
I’m pretty convinced that GBFM is Roissy, which makes his presence here especially intriguing.
Roissy is a very f*cked up person, but I will say this in his favour: he’s never attacked Susan or HUS. Even if he’s not GBFM, at this point he must have at least heard of her.
El Marques
This is my primary objection to the alpha concept. I just can’t buy into the notion that the epitome of the masculine ideal is some asshat player. Ugh! Dogsquat is a good example of the whole package, and I would point out that he’s a sweetie pie goofball who can kill when necessary. He is a mix of alpha and beta traits, and without the humor and the diplomacy and the sensitive streak, he wouldn’t be a super catch. I’d bet my pension that Dogsquat is not keeping his girlfriend on her toes by flirting with other women to make her jealous and suspicious.
Re GBFM:
This is my first encounter with him. He’s obviously a gifted wordsmith and thinker – there’s a razor sharpness between all the lloollzzz. I don’t know why he has decided HUS is a good place to hang out, but he’s welcome here. I find myself reading his comments with great interest.
@Anacaona
This is a pet peeve of mine. The word settle is very pejorative, but we settle whenever we negotiate any transaction. It’s very rare for anyone to get everything they want in any deal. I’ve seen women overjoyed that they landed the “perfect guy,” then learn that he has a history that’s sketchy. In one case, a girl learned senior year of college that her bf of three years had impregnated a local girl his freshman year and had a toddler he had never seen or paid a cent for. He was outed when his frat brother hooked up with the single mom one night in a bar and named him as the father. She stayed with him for another year, which is my definition of settling.
Ah, that would make a great children’s book!
Haha, that is what he looks like. Perhaps that’s why I feel maternal when I see his pic. He looks like a wounded bird. I can imagine him playing the role of Uriah Heep.
Alias, again, I understand. I am not looking to dig in my heels. And, I have never read the book either. I was simply relaying two interesting things that she had mentioned in the book, one of them being what she had thought of girls when attempting to approach.
It is a little surprising that no one touched on the other subject, which was the relatively high rate of “team-switching” that she found.
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tanks for welocming me with oepn armss!!!!!
i am currently being parsed an dstsudied in higher academia higher eductaiaosns zlzozozozozo !!
http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2010/06/05/the-mencius-moldbug-of-the-roissysphere/
http://eumaios.wordpress.com/2010/06/02/gbfm-code-the-symbology-and-terminology-of-great-books-for-men/
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http://luciussomesuch.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/the-genius-of-great-books-for-men-greatbooksformen-gbfm-tm-gb4m-tm-gr8books4men-tm/
I went searching for one of my favorite Great Books For Men comments and found that, indeed, in this case GBFM had double-dipped from his own blog. In response to Heartiste’s “Dominance Plays” GBFM offers some new comments, and then slides in an additional classic chestnut posted earlier on his home blog:
Today the master fiat class gives the first rights of your wife to an endless array of douchetards, starting in elementary school, commanding her to see lying, peacocking, manipulative, girly beta males as alphas, while seeing manly alphas as betas; as her mother exiled her true father long ago, under command of the fiat masters.
From an early age they teach her that her ginatingles rule the world, not Jesus, nor Thor, nor Zeus, nor Moses. When she gets knocked up, they reward her with fiat dollars which Ben Benanke hand delivers in his helicopter. . . .
But GBFM is really on a role. He immediately follows up with the first instance I’d encountered of one of his ‘rewrites’ on the essay Heartiste has just delivered:
hey heartiststtetsts!!!!
i have notcied a couple speleleing errororos errors in your ways words and i have fixed them vbecasuee you beemever know when neoocn womenz like chalrortte allen will be dropping by here to check your rgramamamrz grammarz lzozlzllzozozlzozozozo
GBFM moonlighting as copyeditor has become one of his most endearing, and sublimely surreal, conceits. Here he is in glittering form on a recent entry on the viability of the Romney campaign, complete with a trademark–
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hery hey heartistssee i love your preiddtionss peredictions and i know you work hard so sometimes you mispless missplell things misspells how the fuck do you spelll msisisisisissspelelll? lzozzloololzozzlozol omg it dirves me babaananananaaananannaananansssssananaaas
anyayawzy i have coreecttred your gramamar and spelelings lzozlzozo::
2012 prediction: the Eurozone experiment in forced financial buthhexting implodes, taking a cock in the ass and the U.S. with it. . . .
The corrections for “gramamar and spelelings” consist in inserting curse words and scatology, especially wherever the construction allows some sort of logical homophony between Heartiste’s original complaint (usually these are quite salty in themselves) and GBFM’s obsessive unmasking of “buthhexting” and “assocking”, sodomy being his neo-Dantean metaphor for usury and, well, sodomy, the instrument by which the neoconservatives “desoul” modern women through what Milton would call (I’m digging this one up on my own, but GBFM’s very free to use it if he hasn’t already) “Casual fruition” (PL Bk IV l. 767). Once desouling has taken place, the woman will serve(ice) the fiat masters forever, destroying marriage and family so Bernanke and his conspirators can sit atop their inflationary empires.
And no, I have not even begun to scrape the magnificent, tragicomic depths of GBFM’s scalding, multilayered vision. GBFM uses a toolbox of commonly recurring key phrases and concepts, yet manages to deploy them in a bewilderingly fertile fashion. He would be side-splittingly funny even if he didn’t, frankly; but that he continually manages to slyly posture behind surprising new parodistic frames (one vintage spiel of fabulous intricacy involves him doing a corrected read-out of the computer screen’s revealing scroll in The Matrix) adds a sense of wonder to his replies. And I haven’t even yet reminded you that “You’ve been ——–fied !” Or however it’s being spelelt these days, lzzoozlz!!!
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J, Utah is known for huge families. Middle class families here regularly have 5+ kids! I don’t really know how they afford it. Some also adopt one or two on top of their own kids. Several of my coworkers come from families with 7 or more siblings, or have husbands who come from large-sized families.
On the upside, Utah is one of the better places to raise kids. It’s generally family-friendly, employers tend to be very lenient and understanding about the family situation, and stores even have special parking lots reserved for pregnant women. It’s definitely a different culture from the coasts.
@ Ramble
Team Switching = attention wh*ring
It all started when I wanted to explain that the culture frowns upon approaching women.
(sigh)
Please, don’t dig in your heels unless you’re doing this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTv-6EW3NoA
J, Utah is known for huge families. Middle class families here regularly have 5+ kids! I don’t really know how they afford it.
Well the kids don’t double coming from a family of four, there is a lot of reusing, recycling, sharing buying things by the bulk the costs do go up but is not like each kid costs the same amount, once all the kids are between the ages of 4 and 14 is an easy ride. Now the teenager years and when they are all too small to understand orders and priorities are the hardest parts both socially and economically. Another problem I have is that in here big families are not the norm so once the kid socializes at school knowing that all his/her friends have things they don’t is pretty traumatizing according to some stories I read and there is the whole community looks at you like you are nuts for having that many unless there is a lot of elderly people that still remembers the old days when people had more than four kids. I probably would try to for a bigger family in a place like Utah were I will have more of a supportive culture in California…not so much.
Re: Big Families
In large families of the past- SAHMs helped one another or had family members who helped. Now, if both parents must work, daycare/preschool costs are very expensive.
People want to maintain a very high standard of living.
It wasn’t expected that each child would have their OWN room, join several extra-curricular activities, have so many expensive toys & gadgets.
Children were expected to pitch in more with household duties, which always happened in larger families. Put a kid now to babysit siblings or in charge of cooking meals for free and watch how many people go up in arms calling it exploitation and abuse.
Plus- people act rude toward large families (in places where they’re not the norm). They treat large families like they’re a circus act and look down on them.
I could go on.
Susan:
“Re GBFM:
He’s obviously a gifted wordsmith and thinker – there’s a razor sharpness between all the lloollzzz. ”
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And here I thought this was a person abusing nitrous oxide!
@Hope
I’m not surprised that Utah is a nice place to raise kids. ANy place with a large number of traditional cultures–Mormons, Amish, Hasidic Jews–tends to be nice in that way.
How do these folks manage financially? They have fewer expectations, an anti-materialistic world view and religions that actually prohibit some of the unnesessary expenses the rest of us incur raising kids. Depending on which group we’e talking about, no money is spent on Xboxes, IPods, tickets to rock concerts, cars, designer clothes, etc. Older kids pitch in to help with younger kids, so there are fewer child care expenses. OTOH, all those folks tend to raise really decent, non-spoiled kids.
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come gather roun my chcildren
take da red pill
and ye shall see the world for what it is
tyhe green streamins of data behnd da face zlozozlzoz
i can show you the way, neo, but you will have to walk it zlozlzlzozzlozlzlzo
ozlzlz the more you read me and roissy the mroe your life will improve as you come to see the fiat butthex matrix for what it is — you will see the green streams of fiat data (dripping with buttdouche fresh off the butthex presses) like the matrix but with a subltle difference as some of you wieinsteinas have already seen for urself lzozzll
at the ned of the matrix neo saw it as
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and when you have walked the path you too will see the butthexing matrix for what it is and how the fed funded the desouling of womenz with massive amounts of douchcock frrom an early age in all tehir orfices and are acting through the soulles temptresses to seize your assetts now when a girl says, “what i really really want is a nice guy, i’m tired of the asswholes (lozlzl who got her younger hotter tighter)” instead of hearing what she says and then trying to be a nice guy you will hear the truth behind the butthexing matrix’s facade lzozlzl:
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the sublime act of butthex is a beuatiful metaphor for what the fed does to a currency and a country, which is why the neocon weekly standard celebrates butthexers–es[pecially those who taope it without the girkl's conthent and profit off the act. lzozlzlzlzl!
[on the war that devastated the Real World]
Morpheus: We don’t know who butthexed first, us or them. But we do know it was them that videotaped it without our consent while scorching the sky wioth a long trail of butthex lies. At the time, they were dependent on butthex power. It was believed they would be unable to survive without an energy source as abundant as the common man’s collective anushole. lozzllzlzlzzl
Trinity: I know why you’re here, Neo. I know what you’ve been doing… why you hardly sleep, why you live alone, and why night after night, you sit by your computer reading roissy & GBFM. You’re looking for him. I know because I was once looking for the same thing. And when he found me, he told me I wasn’t really looking for him. I was looking for an answer. It’s the question that drives us, Neo. It’s the question that brought you here. You know the question, just as I did.
Neo: What is the butthex fiat Mathrix?
Trinity: The answer is out there, Neo, and it’s looking for you, and it will find you if you want it to.
[Neocon sees a black cat walk by them, and then a similar black cat walk by them just like the first one]
Neocon: Whoa. Déjà vu.
[Everyone freezes right in their tracks]
Trinity: What did you just say?
Neocon: Nothing. Just had a little déjà vu.
Trinity: What did you see?
Cypher: What happened?
Neocon: A black cat went past us, and then another that looked just like it.
Trinity: How much like it? Was it the same cat?
Neocon: It might have been. I’m not sure.
Morpheus: Switch! Apoc!
Neocon: What is it?
Trinity: A déjà vu is usually a glitch in the butthexMatrix. It happens when they change something. Now that I am an aging women in the butthex matrix with her eggs and gina drying up having given the best years of her anus to drunk alphas during her college desouling years via massively multiplayer asscockig in the butt sessions and getting her fiat mba (masters of butthexing in da Anus) and blowing upper level mangement lzozllz, the butthexmatrix is now delivering my cats. Two this morning and now two more. yaya! lozlzl
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Morpheus: The Fiat lozllolozllzzl butthex Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. lzozozozozl! But when you’re inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, bloggers, teachers, betas, lawyers, herbs, carpenters, and neocon womenz writing for the weekly standard, repeating the fiat lies of secretive tapers of butthex without teh girls conthent lzozlzlzlzl. The very minds and anusholes of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that butthex system and that makes them our anus’s lozlzlzozzozozl enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unbuttplugged. And many of them are so inured to butthex, so hopelessly dependent on the system of secretive tapings of butthex without tehir conthent, that they will fight to protect it and reapet the lies of secretive tapers of butthex in teh pages of the weekly standard even though they seem to be nice neocon ladies.
[Neo's eyes suddenly wander towards a woman in a red dress]
Morpheus: Were you listening to me, Neo? Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress (woman as temptress in the heor’s journey myth) who was desouled via copious fiat-funded butthex from butthexers celerbated in teh pages of the weekly standard?
Neo: I was…
Morpheus: [gestures with one hand] Look again.
[the desouled, massively-butthexed woman in the red dress is now a bestselling new york times author, pointing a cock at Neo's ass; Neo ducks]
Morpheus: Freeze it.
[Everybody and everything besides Neo and Morpheus freezes in time]
Neo: This… this isn’t the butthex Matrix?
Morpheus: No. It is another training program designed to teach you one thing: if you are not one of us lozlzlzlzlers, you are one of them butthexers.
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i wanna start lzozlzlzl media where we have a character based on roissy who sees green streams of streaming data every time a bernankified chick opens her moutrh and throughout every episode all the herbs and betas pay for the meals of the chix roissy butthexes in the end due to his supreme knowelge of being THE ONE lzozlzlzllzzl
i would be more like one of those minor characters along for the ride in the mother ship stanidng off to the side going lzozlzz zlzozlzozlzozlz zlzozllzozlzlzlz and don’t gte me worng i would score with all the hotties but like roissy woudl get first pick for his lead dick and i’d get the next two as that’s only fair lzozlzlzlzllzlzllzl
What! Kids do not get any easier at age 4, they get more difficult as they age, nonstop! The savings between each kid is very little, too, as they can’t share food.
OTC:
“What! Kids do not get any easier at age 4, they get more difficult as they age, nonstop! The savings between each kid is very little, too, as they can’t share food.”
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(nods in agreement)
If you don’t breastfeed or use elimination communication method, the cost of formula and diapers is steep.
In addition- there’s healthcare insurance, co-payments, medication, or if you use alternative medicine/supplements- they come out of pocket.
There’s braces, glasses, etc..
Before and after school care for working parents.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I preferred your previous dance video.
Personally, I don’t care for that style where the feet are constantly going up and down. especially where it produces that body movement where the girls ass is, seemingly, being pushed out as she does it. And, for the guys, it makes them look like they are in some gay 1940′s musical.
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re: Switching Teams
In that interview she said that the women she was emailing, for internet dating, were impressed with how verbal “he” was. Lots of words, and detailed thoughts and feelings.
When the women were starting to get physical, “he” would make sure to reveal that he was a she.
She said many (I don’t remember the numbers now) were still interested in going further. Many were simply disappointed with the level of intimacy that they had gotten in previous relationships.
They can go right fuck themselves.
When I marry, my wife and I will have as many children as we can love (and handle…being my spawn, they are likely to be pricks).
GBFM: from those commentaries that you were kind enough to share, it would appear that you are becoming a beloved figure on several sites. Whether you are a madman, the extraordinary gimmick character of a master of puppets, or perhaps even a sentient AI that haunts cyberspace to warn humanity of the dangers ahead, your dark poetry always seems to deliver the goods.
Welcome back, my prince.
Alias, yeah, we’re not flashy or status-oriented people, but all of those factors combine in my husband not wanting more than two kids. I personally wouldn’t mind more, but my husband would not want me to be a stay-at-home mother, so that would be the main obstacle. He also wants to send them to private school.
Ramble, sounds like a good goal to have. I have met women who knew early on they wanted lots of kids (like at least 4), and didn’t waste time getting to it. Find yourself one of those young women and multiply.
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hey bastiat!!!! gald you are njoying my peotery here is a rap i wrote in french orgrirnally for you but den translated into english when i opened from eminem zlozzozoz and fitty cent zlzoozlzolz
alos one cock rule would rock as a animated rap:
OMG both of you betado9uches above are violating THE ONE COCK RULE!!!
You are alloowing chix to bring other COCKS into your mind lozlzlzzoz zlozllzl. The second a chick makes me think of another cock she is outta my house outta my mind or if she’s texting on a date which almost never happens because i almost never date i go “i gotta use the men’s room lzozlzl” and then i leave her with the bill. she can text her ten other cocks to comne over and pay for her drniks/dinner lzozlzlzllzlzlz and then,. after paying, they have full right to gizizizizizalizzz all over her lzozlz
“I’ve been seeing this girl for a year. We live together and I’ve still got hand.”
OMG lzozzlzll wtf are fuckity fucks doing with chix in your homes? lzozlzlzlz omg lozlzlzlzlzl looozers lzozlzlzlz1!! hzhzh
THEY VIOLATE THE ONE COCK RULE THEY ARE OUT! OUT!
OUT!
O U T OUT! lzozlzlzl
OMG lozlzlzozlozozolzl wft r u doing dating a chick 4 a yer did your dick fall off? Were yu chosen by Beernanke and given an award and medal to support today’s slutty slutt vampiressses cuckholders cockcutters?
sounds 2 me it is the latter as u have no cock lzozlzlzlzl lzzozl
and she made you think of another cock
fucktard haven’t u heard of the one cock rule?
hey roissy yo!! let’s teach these douches somethin ’bout nbein a man yo!
throw a beat over this way.
yo yo yo yo
yo yo yo
now hit it!
one cock rule one cock rule
i ain’t no beta fool i ain’t no beta tool
about another cock ya make me think
i’m gone, yo bitch,
let the betas buy yas yer next drink
one cock rule one cock rule
i ain’t no beats fool i ain’t no beta tool
over vampires and werewolfe you ginas all drool
letting their cocks touch your deep down stool
then you blame the betas in school
and transfer wealth for the bernanke gene pool
jonah goldberg sends our alphas 2 die on foreign shores
stuffing his face with dc pizza as they die in fiat wars
neocon womenz repeating butthexers lies in their mags
even after menopause and no need for da ragz
telling young chickas to lust after vampires
as they build their fiat empires
one cock rule one cock rule
i ain’t no fool i ain’t no tool
about another cock ya make me think
i’m gone, yo bitch,
let the betas buy yas yer next drink
let the betas pay to raise your bastard kids
let the betas sign teh fiat masters marriage contracts
theft in fiat inflation is hid
as they swing their bankrupting axe
i don’t care what last night u did,
ever since i kicked ya gina out, i been relaxed.
as they promote butthex across the land
ripping out fetuses from parenthood planned
as fathers form teh homes the neocons ban
the atalnatic authoresses just don’t undertsand
but when chix wakes up and her butt is sore
it’s not my fault no–it’s cause she’s a whore
as the fiat masters desoul women with butthex cock
teach them to transfer wealth with pre-teen strumpet rock
one cock rule one cock rule
i ain’t no fool i ain’t no tool
about another cock ya make me think
i’m gone, yo bitch,
let the betas buy yas yer next drink
womenz womenz bernanke took advanatge of you
you wasted your best years on vampires and werewolves
and now you cry your tears cause of your sore anus
stamp your little feet saying, “you betas must pay for this!!!”
and aging neocon women promoting butthexing vampires
teacxhing women to lust after the undead
as the neocons suck the western world dry
bankrupting it all,m enlsaving it debt
while selfish womenz at the atalnatic monthly
cry cry cry
cry cry cry
not for you or me
but for themselves
not for the 50,000,000 aborted souls
but for their dried up ginas and sore assholes
so many chances they had to marry a nice guy
but he left her dry
so whe butthexed with the asshole
and now see her cry
and wonder why
and transofrm the entire univeristy
into a program to further the fiat lie
to transfer wealth and wage war and death
to about fifty million more
and redefine fifty cocks in her ass as empowered
and not a whore
all together now!
lzozllzzl lozlzlz zlozozoz
lozlzl lzozozlz ozlzooz zlo9oo
lozlzlz ozlzoozl ozlzlzoz lzozlz zlzoz zlzozzlozlzozlo
one cock rule one cock rule
i ain’t no fool i ain’t no tool
about another cock ya make me think
i’m gone, yo bitch,
let the betas buy yas yer next drink
alreayd seen yer pink stink
bent ya over the sink
and howscomes the bankers southpark never does satarize
because everything is fair game–truth love honor–excpet for fiat butthexing lies.
all together now!
lzozllzzl lozlzlz zlozozoz
lozlzl lzozozlz ozlzooz zlo9oo
lozlzlz ozlzoozl ozlzlzoz lzozlz zlzoz zlzozzlozlzozlo
AND THREE COCK RULE:
^^^^ to the 24 for or so tardbetadouches who voted my “one cock rule” rap down
lozlzlzlzlozzllzlzlzlz
what do ya want?
a two cock rule rap?
or three cock rule?
three cock rule, three cock rule,
i’m a beta herb my own cock won’t do
i need a chick to cuckold me
i need a chick on me to pee
three cock rule, three cock rule,
i love being the greater fool
one cock in her mouth, one in her anus,
i keep mine in my pants,
and pay her bills and rent and fare for da bus.
so she can club and grind, on denim cocks dance.
three cock rule, three cock rule,
i treat my lady like a nice guy,
give her chivarly while with 2 others she doth lie,
three cock rule, three cock rule,
while your cock doth touch her stool,
i play videogames @ home in my single mom’s basement,
as teh fed fianance feminsits studies @ school,
teaching her to love and bail out the butthexers,
to persucte me 4 letting her live 4 free,
while she tickles drummer/druggie cock until it goes
splooge splooge splooge! tee hee tee hee!
three cock rule, three cock rule,
i’m the beta herb, teh cuckholded fool,
i respect her, keep my cock in my pants,
fund her with other cocks to dance.
lozlzlzlzl
or would u betaherbs prefer a five cock rule rap! omg i bet someofya would like dat! lzozl
lzozozozo
Ramble:
“Personally, I don’t care for that style where the feet are constantly going up and down”
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I specifically chose that style because you said #793 “I am not looking to dig in my heels” and that’s what they’re doing, lots of it. It’s a more vulgar style.
In the previous video I posted, the guy doesn’t move his feet much at all and the girl’s steps are more dainty and delicate, piroutte-like twirls.
Team Switching, I’ll stick with my first assessment.
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@ Hope
I come from a large family and would’ve loved more kids but my extended family is dispersed, so I didn’t have that level of support that’s needed. We also aren’t the type to keep up with the Joneses or anything, but it’s still expensive.
Another thing is that having lots of kids takes a toll on your body- healthwise + lookwise, and it takes a toll on a marriage.
Not that it can’t be done but there are a lot more expectations today.
It’s easier to have a large family when you already have a large family that supports you- so it’s like a catch-22.
I specifically chose that style because you said #793 “I am not looking to dig in my heels” and that’s what they’re doing, lots of it.
I didn’t catch that. Thank you.
Alias, yeah, I do wish I had more family support. My husband and I don’t have siblings, and my mother-in-law is a few hours away. At least I have female coworker friends who are mothers and are supportive in an emotional sense.
Now, if we were super loaded, or if we lived in Europe with their year-long maternity leave, that’d be different. I wonder why couples in Europe don’t have more kids despite all the encouragement.
Someone wrote an article about what beta males in particular want.
http://www.elephantjournal.com/2012/02/what-men-really-want/
Now, if we were super loaded, or if we lived in Europe with their year-long maternity leave …
If you had permanent, on-the-books, employment.
I wonder why couples in Europe don’t have more kids despite all the encouragement.
See above statement.
Actually, there is a LOT more to it, but, for now, that will suffice.
@GBFM
Is that some anti-Semitism there? Because I’ve got a zero tolerance policy for that around here. Enlighten me or I’m going to start hitting the delete key. It was fun while it lasted.
@SW
“The example usually given is that women can just walk into a bar and shout at the top of their lungs that they’re horny and want to have sex. I’m not sure how ‘easy’ that would be for most women.”
I was mulling over this comment. This fact seems to be a lynchpin for a lot of the problems in the SMP today. The ability of women to do something like this, and the willingness of many men to go for it, usually without any kind of protection unless I’m mistaken, kind of poisons the well for everybody, so to speak. It shouldn’t really matter what other people are doing, I suppose. I only see two possible long-term solutions to this phenomenon.
I agree that most women don’t do this kind of thing, and those that do probably don’t get the kind of sex they really want. But I wonder what the reaction would be if women went into some other (non-bar) environment and made it clear they were looking for dates instead of sex? Could it be they’d attract different kinds of guys?
GBFM is one of the only people around who still calls Roissy by his name. That’s interesting to me. Also, they’re definitely on a par wrt intelligence and wit. They do make an interesting pair, fused or not.
@Megaman
I think they would, but it’s harder to find venues like that. I know that women who do go to bars and then won’t hook up get nowhere. Guys aren’t in bars to meet nice girls, right? I think online dating can be a way of doing it – one has to be careful to avoid players pretending they want a relationship, but I think guys interested in dating do go online. I think the best way is probably to meet people through family, friends, coworkers, etc. who are likely to report “this girl is not a slut.” That would filter out the players and filter in the guys looking for that.
Sorry Susan, I just don’t see the “brilliance” in any of GBFM’s posts.
Its mainstream conspiracy theory that my 9 year old niece can churn out between Sponge Bob episodes, not biting commentary or incisive analysis.
And wit? lolzzzlololololzzzlololololololzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!
One of the links that GBFM posted (http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2010/06/05/the-mencius-moldbug-of-the-roissysphere/) had an interesting comment:
>> “Ahh the crazies that frequent the Roissysphere.
I’ve got one: she goes by a different name every time (I think her main one was DADT) and can’t stop talking about being Indian. Its hard to tell someone is crazy online, but sometimes it’s just damn obvious.
She’s “infested” my blog as well. And I believe Ferd ended up banning her awhile back.”
Apparently HUS isn’t the only place with a Plain Jane problem.
“the best way is probably to meet people through family, friends, coworkers, etc. who are likely to report “this girl is not a slut.””
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Slut filtering is far more rampant than most women know. And more than any feminist would admit.
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“That would filter out the players and filter in the guys looking for that”
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And very close to 100% of guys are looking for that.
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The Spring Break filter, vacation sex filter, sexual expression via multi cocks filter, finding oneself via romps filter, equality with men delusion filter, one night stand filter, and a host of other filters now required to cut through the detritus to maybe meet a marriage worthy woman in certain locations
“The ability of women to do something like this, and the willingness of many men to go for it”
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is the reason why a woman must portray herself as someone who has never done that and not lie about it – if – her goal is attract a good man for marriage in the future or currently
He’s a controversial figure, for sure. I’ve never read his stuff before – he’s like Munson x 10.
What does this mean??
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” how does a woman come to terms with her sexuality and escape the wrath of being labeled a ‘slut?’”
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Come to terms with it? WTF is this some sort of begging for slut justification? Do men running around trying to get laid so they can come to terms with their sexuality or is that sort of stupid shit feel-better excuse just reserved for women? And just who is doing this so-called “slut labeling”?
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Oh yeah, this is up there with other cutsey self-serving vaginal-recreation terms such as
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expressing her sexuality…with multi penises
discovering her body…with multi penises
building her character…with multi penises
finding herself…with multi penises
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How about – “I am taking the gay man approach and fucking the best looking of the willing around me because unlike most straight men….I can. Because its cheap and easy attention receiving fun. Later, I will say I was expressing my sexuality and discovering myself and pray that a different sort of man than the ones I am hopping around satisfying today doesn’t read into such astounding bullshit”
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http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2012/04/whatever-slut-why-i-cant-hate-on-the-mind-behind-slutever-com/
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The genius of GBFM allows him to utter things like “medal to support today’s slutty slutt vampiressses cuckholders cockcutters”, to gales of laughter, while lesser minds might use like “all women” which is bitter invective.
Remember, it doesn’t matter what you say – just how you say it. Lzozoozlzzzol!
I’m somewhat entertained by GBFM for short periods of time, but I have to say that I haven’t read his last few posts for various reasons; tl;dr, repetitious content, too difficult to read through the lolllzzz, heard it all before and finally sometimes “lotsa cocka” is too much “cocka.”
@SW
“I think the best way is probably to meet people through family, friends, coworkers, etc.”
This is the essence of neo-dating. It worked for me, and all of my non-single friends. Enlarging one’s social circle seems to be the way to happiness for at least 80% of people. Nobody I know has had a successful relationship come out of meeting a complete stranger and going from there. Online dating isn’t that much different than the “cold” approach. I tried it for awhile and got nowhere. Methinks the success rate for online relationships or marriages is pretty low, and pretty skewed too (no facts to back that up).
It’s getting harder and harder to meet and connect these days. I also think the differing male vs. female rejection experience plays a big role in keeping people single longer than they would normally want to be.
No there is no antisemitism from gbfm.
My mother is jewish, lived in israel, and is a holocaust survivor.
I respect and honor the law of moses, as I am a Jew.
If you’re looking for people who detest the law of moses, look at the buttcockerz who tape buttthext in secfret like tucker max rhyemes with goldman sax and the fiat thieves lzzozzlzozzlzozlzzozzl
Ludwig von mises spoke out against fiat currencies, and he was a Jew.
Those that detest mises, moses, and jesus are the anti-semites.
Lzzlzozlzlzzoozzo college student lzzozozoz
What conspiracy tgeory are u saying I am espousings? Vlozozozlkz
Googke “arron russo feminism” and watch the. Video and get pa back to your professoorr zlzozozo
I read the whole thread and can relate to a lot of it. I wanted to commit early, jezz I would have married someone at 20 if I’d had the chance. I was Beta, but good looking at 6’2″ 180lbs , I looked around until I was almost 34 and had almost given up. I was typical Nice Guy the ladies all claimed they wanted and bragged me up to their friends, but every woman I had a relationship with ended up screwing around on me with some badboy at about the six month mark.
I finally did find the girl of dreams at 34, she was 24, wanted off the carousel and was looking for Dad material. Dear old beta me was perfect for the role until the the last child entered Highschool, then it was back onto the carousel for her. She said she “was not happppppppy”., all news to me, but truth be told she hooked up with some guy she met playing WOW about six months before she gave me the speech.
I think she’s finding it out now what she perceived as her value is not what she thought. Even though at 45 she still a looker it takes a lot of work, makeup, anti aging creams etc., I laughed out loud when I saw the guy she’s hooked up with now.
Me on the other hand , it’s much as others have said about the options for “Good Men” with women over 24. Even at 57 I have women in their mid 30′s very interested in me, I’m dating one who’s 36 at present. One other woman ( 28) told me the other day she wishes she was 10 years older, so she could date me, but also said “I’m awfully tempted just the same”. I’m tempted as well, butthat amount of age difference is a bit weird for me too.
Sadly for them, guys like me who were very good husbands, never cheated or mistreated their wives are so pissed at our treatment by women with MLC/GIGs/hypergamy, we have no plans on ever marrying again.
“He’s a controversial figure, for sure. I’ve never read his stuff before – he’s like Munson x 10.”
What’s controversial about him? He’s an idiot who keeps writing the same trite crap over and over again. Every time I scroll past his posts my eyes pick up on the same two words “tape butthex”. Makes me picture a piece of Scotch tape plastered over an anus. An image I could’ve lived the rest of my life just fine without, thankyou very much.
Hey college kid.
Hundreds of thousands of dollars from major publishers are being given to those who tape buttsexth with women without the womans consent.
Does that not matter 2u?
Or do u just vo lozozozlzozzlzl buttthext zlzokzoozozoz like a good college kid zlzozozlzozozozooz
Ah, that would make a great children’s book!
I will add it to the ideas for plots folder
It wasn’t expected that each child would have their OWN room, join several extra-curricular activities, have so many expensive toys & gadgets.
I was discussing that in in my country at least the catholic church offered a lot f activities for free or for contribution (less than a dollar a month) for youngsters dance, typing, pottery, cooking, crafts, sports for families to sent their kids to learn and entertain themselves in clean ways. So kid friendly culture does help with that too for the price of going to mass :p
“What! Kids do not get any easier at age 4, they get more difficult as they age, nonstop! The savings between each kid is very little, too, as they can’t share food.”
http://www.lotsofkids.com/LOK-Features/Articles/costchild.php
http://www.frugal-families.com/how-do-large-families-afford-to-live.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/story/2012-01-10/family-parents-kids-spending/52484040/1
They can go right fuck themselves.
Yeah because a brown girl from a third world country wanting a big family is not a sign of low IQ/Class/Feminism awareness…No to mention they are going to be different enough already adding the burden of having to see their friends living a different lifestyle sounds like too much. In here is classic for brothers and sisters hating each other for little to nothing add “I can’t get anything new” to the list and I’m sure they snap.
One of the things I did liked about Harry Potter was that it was very realistic how the Weasleys were looked down by the “only child” Malfoy’s and the challenges faced by the family and siblings (although is deliciously ironic that the Weasley’s pretty much became the most powerful family on the entire wizardly world adding the boy who lived, one of the most brilliant witches ever, a Vela…while the Malfoy’s were evil and cowardly and they didn’t added anyone of notice like they probably wanted and lost many to the war. Maybe JK would had wanted a big family at some point but she knew what it entails and this was her way to process that) There are many things to consider before making a choice like that kids social well being included of course, YMMV.
@GBFM
OK, thanks very much for answering my question. I am sorry I misunderstood your reference, but in my defense I’m still learning your language.
You’ve got a point. He does seem rather fixated on anal sex.
College Kid:
“Women do a good job at being both dominant and sensitive. Don’t see why we can’t also.”
They won’t bite, kiddo. You’ll learn soon.
Oh my, Susan, you got gbfm to write a complete sentence with punctuation and without spelling errors!
zlozzozozozo
i came here to talk about da greta books like dante homer da bible zlozozoz
and all use peoplez wants do doo is talk about buttehxt butthext butthext
just like da editors at major corproations publish and rpomrote and fund stories about sectrive tapings fo butthext without the girl’s conthent.
why do so many of you shoot me, the messenger,
and give da buttcockers and publishers and promoters and profiters off of buttoccking
a free pass?
zlzozoozozozlzooozozoozzo
should you not be standing up for a woman’s right to know if someoine is sceetrively taping her being butthexted without her conthent like tucker max rheyems with godlmas sax does so as to profit offf the buttehx stories? lzozozozozoozo
are anot art, culture, and literate and good, decent, morality, and da Bible improtant to all of ye?
zlozllozlzlozz
“are anot art, culture, and literate and good, decent, morality, and da Bible improtant to all of ye?”
There’s more than just 1 or 2 religions to choose from.
lzozozlozoz
ok college kid since youkeep talking about buttehxt
tell me which religion honors and exalts buttehxt as much as you do, college kid
lzozoozoooz
Dude, I’m not the one spamming blogs over and over again with posts about butthext. I’ve never even thought about it til now, thanks to you.
LOL, GBFM has influence.
lzozozlzoz hey college kid
read your posts dudesz lzozozo
all your postz do is go “butthext bttthext buttehxt butthext buttehxt butthext lzozoozozoz”
read them dude
i wana talks about homer shakespeare dante hjesys moses and engage you on a highe rnoble level exalted thougt
but all you do colleg kid is go “butthext bttthext buttehxt butthext buttehxt butthext lzozoozozoz” while deocntsructing the joudeo-schristian heritage, like a good little buttehxual college stsundtehtzzzz
there is more 2 life than buttehxt coolege kid, no matter what the federal reserve had your mom and your teachers tell u zlzozlzozo
hey college kid zlozozoz
just think
somehwere right now your future wife or your firends futrue wife is being buttehxed, deosuled, and ebernankified zlozzlzozloo
and you aren’t man eneough to do anyting about it and defend her honor against da ienetrnataional banking cartel ozzlozozozzo
lzozozozozozozlzoz
lzozozozoozoz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0lpWYpC6-g&feature=related
zlzozozooz
@818 “Guys aren’t in bars to meet nice girls, right?”
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I don’t think that’s true. I am a great person, and I go to bars. So I believe there are good girls there. But we also judge others based on our own actions.
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I LOVE online dating! It’s like shopping, but better. When meeting someone in public, there are so many unanswered questions that can be answered in a click, and without embarassment, weird rejection, uncomfortable situations.
Is she single? (or is her jealous boyfriend lurking with a gun?. I live in Colombia).
Does she have kids?
How old is she?
Does she live close to me?
Does she find me attractive?
Is she looking for a relationship?
Is she employed? In what field?
etc.
All or most of the common questions/obstacles can be anwered in a click or two. We find eachother attractive, NOW let’s see if there is chemistry.
@731 and the rest of his posts, I don’t get it. They’re all ramblings with horrible grammar. Like something you see in the comment section of YouTube in regard to gang videos. And so many cock references. What is his obsession with cocks?
“I live in Colombia”
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Lucky you. Got any advice for American men surrounded by women VERY different from those in your country? Western men would like the US to have open immigration for women from Latin America so they can flood the market and put an end to the damaging fad found here and finally put a wet sock in the mouths of all feminists.
@848 It’s definitley a boys club down here. We’re supposed to only talk of FARC, bombs, cocaine, murders etc, to keep this place preserved.
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I would say if you have the resources, pull the ripcord while you can. It’s basic supply and demand that keeps the Colombian women in check. There are SO MANY gorgeous women, they know they can’t afford to be stuck up bitches. Competition is fierce. I’ve been all over Latin America and the Colombian men are not pussies like you see in places like Costa Rica, Chile and Uruguay. They don’t have to be. Quien sigue? (who’s next?)
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The problem with many American women (For the record, I think American women in general are very pretty. Lot’s of Eastern European influence) is they have very high standards, and they think as long as they can keep stuffing their mugs with dermal filler and fat transfers and lip filler that they can compete. You’ll see 32 yo women being super choosy in regard to men. They think they can still be picky like a teenager. Their mating value has fallen through the floor, yet they keep on.
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In short, I say don’t fight the system. It’s in place. Get out of Stupidville while you can. It’s only going to get worse. If you can retire or earn a living remotely, do it. Cost of living is half of the u.s. Weather is great. You’ll date women to whom you would be invisible to in Manhattan or Miami beach. You ever see the ads? “Come to Colombia. The biggest risk is you may never leave”. We call it ‘the last stop on the bus’.
I am in Honduras and yes, being here is one big middle finger to the face of all those feminists, stupid rules and women who are only as good as the men who suck up to them.
“It’s basic supply and demand that keeps the Colombian women in check. There are SO MANY gorgeous women, they know they can’t afford to be stuck up bitches.”
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so true. Plus, nearly ALL the women here fit the definition of wife material in the States. You know what you are dealing with upon meeting them. It is NOT about money…no. American women will say that is what it is and they all want a ticked to the US. Bullshit. Not one woman here has mentioned that. They want to stay here and they want you to stay with them and build a life.
lzozozllzozzolzlzozo MArc!!!!
if we analyze analyz ANALize how many times you say “cock” per word you wirtem you talk about scockass far more dan I!! lzozozozoz cockas is a mcuh greater peeprpcpentage of your rabnmsnlings dan mine zlzozozlloz
plus da major new york publishers wire hunderedez of thousands of dolalrz to so-called “alphas” who shove der cockas into womenz anuthes in and out and tape it without the girl’s conthent, so the new york cpulbishers can profit off iof fit lzozozozoz
does this dnot bother you that our future wivesz are being deousled and butthexted by cockas that are funanded ifancnenence by major corproations federla resevrre cronies capaataialsutzz lzozlzlzozoooz?
lzozozozozozlzozo
man up dude! listen to kay hymowitz tits and bill benentes and man the fudge yup! lzozzozlzlo
@851 urrrr wrongggg, bkux of fmista comhelo ti arsetiduffel!
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Colombia’s Divorce Rate Explodes
Divorce attorneys in Pasadena have seen the divorce rate in Southern California climb during the last decade. Sociologists and legal experts theorize the economy and other factors may have something to do with the climbing rate. But in Bogotá, Colombia, the divorce rate has exploded — and many say it could be due to several extreme issues unique to the country.
Recently called one of the 10 most dangerous cities on the planet, Bogotá has one of the highest divorce rates in Latin America. DivorceSaloon.com recently wondered if the region’s extreme narco-terrorism violence to the increase in divorce. Kidnappings, car bomb explosions and homicide are daily occurrences in Bogotá, leading many couples to call it quits under the daily threat of violence. Certainly, studies have shown areas of the world with political discord and violence to have extremely high divorce rates. But there could be another reason divorce is running rampant in Columbia.
In 2005, legislation passed in Columbian congress which allows couples to divorce in 60 minutes and for roughly $15.
“The aim is to make life easier for Colombians,” Manuel Cuello, superintendent of the national registrar, told the Associated Press back in 2005. “Getting divorced should not be such a bureaucratic ordeal.”
The country’s “quickie divorces” soon became legendary, receiving global attention. What was initially a move to address hundreds of backlogged divorce cases has turned into a national past time. The country has seen numbers of divorces filed nearly double since the legislation was passed.
Quickie divorces and violent climate aside, divorce has been on the rise in Latin America for the last several decades. Many South American countries like Colombia didn’t even have accessible divorces until the late 1970s. A study by Univerisdad Externado shows that divorce has been steadily increasing for the last 50 years.
Elsewhere on the continent, Chile has the lowest divorce rate in all of Latin America.
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A huge backlog and $15.00 divorce= divorce explosion
What is the role of Hispanic women in Latin America?In: Latin America [Edit categories]
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The stereotypical role of a Hispanic woman (or Hispanic women) in Latin America is that the woman stays at home, bears/rears the children, cooks/cleans, and is submissive to the husband.
Since the divorce rates and out of wedlock pregnancies are growing at an enormous rate in Latin America, this stereotype is changing. More and more Hispanic women are breaking through the workforce and becoming, in a sense, their own bosses. Hispanic women are taking charge, working, while still being able to juggle children and all the responsibilities of home life.
Although the idea of machismo still runs rampant in Latin America, hispanic women are taking a stand and making historical changes.
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hahahahahaha..women all over the world are sheding the chains.
Honduras
There are three accepted forms of marriage: civil, religious, and free unions. Both serial monogamy and polygamous unions are socially accepted. Annulment is difficult to obtain through the Roman Catholic Church; this fact, in addition to the expense involved, makes couples reluctant to undertake a religious marriage. Civil marriage is relatively common. Divorce in this case is relatively easy and uncomplicated. Marriage forms also reflect the individual’s life cycle. Most opt for free unions when they are younger and then settle into more formal marriages as they grow older and enjoy more economic security. Class also plays a role: religious marriage is favored by middle-class and upper-class groups; thus, it signifies higher socioeconomic status. The ideal marriage for most Hondurans involves a formal engagement and religious wedding, followed by an elaborate fiesta.
No shame accrues to the man who fathers many children and maintains several women as mistresses. Public disapproval follows only if the man fails to assume the role of “head of the family” and to support his children. When a free union dissolves, a woman typically receives only the house that she and her mate inhabited. The children receive support only if they have been legally recognized by their father.
Families are usually more stable in the countryside. Since the partners are usually residing in the midst of their kin, a man cannot desert his wife without disrupting his work relationship with her family. A woman enjoys greater leverage when she can rely on her family to assist if a union fails or when she owns her own land and thus has a measure of financial independence.
In keeping with the tradition of machismo, males usually play a dominant role within the family, and they receive the deference due to the head of the household. There is wide variation in practice, however. Where a man is absent, has limited economic assets, or is simply unassertive, a woman assumes the role of head of the family.
Sex role differentiation begins early: young boys are allowed to run about unclothed, while girls are much more carefully groomed and dressed. Bands of boys play unwatched; girls are carefully chaperoned. Girls are expected to be quiet and helpful; boys enjoy much greater freedom, and they are given considerable latitude in their behavior. Boys and men are expected to have premarital and extramarital sexual adventures. Men expect, however, that their brides be virgins. Parents go to considerable lengths to shelter their daughters in order to protect their chances of making a favorable marriage.
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I get it now, Abott is a very Machismo kind of guy.
“A huge backlog and $15.00 divorce= divorce explosion”
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There must be some relationship between all this dribble and drastically lowering the probability of marrying a slut, but it is not obvious or apparent whatsoever.
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EVERY American man who is interested in marrying a wife worthy woman would do MUCH better in Latin America. No matter what anyone writes or says. Anyone who has not been here or lives here is just shooting off their mouth as they have NO idea. Don’t fall for the bullshit feel-better propaganda. But is soooo very predictable.
MGTOW pretty much for the same reason many attractive women remain unmarried. By a large margin they have either been burned a number of times already by the status hungry women looking to trade up, have already had their fill of ‘committed’ couplehood or have reached that point in their lives where the prospect of rejoining the hunt brings them to dry heaves. For some its all three.
Personally, I was never great shakes even when younger, but now I am simply invisible to women I find attractive. Mating games are for the young, well off & pretty.
Unfortunately we have managed to convince ourselves that everyone not only deserves connubial bliss but that somehow “there’s someone out there for everyone”. That is simply not true. There is no good evolutionary reason why wrinkly oldies should appeal to anyone, biology has pretty much had its way with us at this stage. I already have children & want no more.
An aging male about to GTOW has some obvious choices: settle for an unattractive match, keep playing ( always aware of the fact that women are progressively looking more the thickness of his wallet than his … biceps or intellect, personality, etc.) or decide to please himself.
I can’t speak for any other man on this, but given a choice of wooing neurotic- self obsessed cougars, frantic professional mothers -in-waiting or desperate doormats willing to settle for anything, I consistently choose prostitutes or masturbation. In neither case is there a chance for heartbreak, sloppy divorce, natal entanglements; as to sexual hygiene, here ( where prostitution is legal and controlled) the pros are likely cleaner then the enthusiasts…and they don’t object to the use of a condom or sulk when you don’t text them 5 minutes after you leave.
MGTOW is a viable strategy for older men ( over 40) , particularly if they’re reasonably financially independent and want to stay that way.
Does this really factor in to the male mating strategy -
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“The veneration of the Virgin Mary and vilification of the sinful Eve defined the boxes into which all women were sorted. ”
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Or is it more of the expected and typical feminist bullshit designed to convince men its all culturally derived and grow up already…..pleeeeez
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Because anyone who spews this crap is either attempting manipulation or is a complete moron. A man has two standards depending on what he seeks in a woman at a particular moment because men like it that way because it feels good to them. Much less goes into choosing a snack then evaluating a full three course meal. Seems that some folks are having a real hard time dealing with the fact that men are quite comfortable selecting women the same way so they insist on all this bizarre historical “who give a flying fuck” rhetoric.
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Funny though how its always and only the “Eves” who whine endlessly about this. Ever wonder why?
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http://open.salon.com/blog/heather_michon/2012/04/30/can_slut_be_reformed
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Sure, the “word” might be reformed or modified in some fashion. But sluts themselves – not a chance. Ladies: just say no.
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Men who have a mating strategy, consider this -
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“It’s called a slutty phase. It basically means I’ll do what I want at night then slut-shame myself in the morning: ‘Chatel! You slut!’
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Well well. It is becoming more clear. This so-called slut shaming is meaningless self imposed psychological trauma. The self damaged woman who gets naked with various men with no effort except for moving around and then gets all twisted over men because of it. Its pathetic. Have fun with her…and then leave.
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These types of women are sooo concerned about their own behavior that they conducted a poll! Still wanna marry one of them?
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Is the term ‘slut’ only OK when referring to ourselves?
Yes. You’re in no position to call someone else that — ever.
(16.8%)
It depends on how close you are to them and whether or not you’re aware of how they’d take it.
(64.3%)
No. If a woman embraces her sexuality, she shouldn’t be offended by the term. End of story.
(18.9%)
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Ha, that last one – “embraces her sexuality” is just sooooo rich. Clearly, a euphemism designed to add a dash of sophistication to good ‘ol fucking around. How’s that working out? Do men EVER embrace their sexuality?
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http://thegloss.com/sex-and-dating/poll-is-the-term-slut-only-ok-when-referring-to-ourselves-207/
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Since they are on a poll roll, here is one that cuts much closer to reality -
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If a man considers a woman’s sexual past as one of many factors when deciding to dedicate his life to her he is:
A – slut shaming
B – insane
C – confused
D – un-american
E – hypocritical
F – insecure
G – unrealistic
H – embracing his mentality
Amanda Chatel says:
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“I’m sorry, but I’m confused by the tone of this. Any modern man probably would NOT consider a woman’s sexual past — unless they wear pleats to work or whatever. Although you claim that “most do,” than fuck them… and I’m sure many agree with me.
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If you don’t want to marry me because I’ve fucked 200091919191 men, then fuck you. I, however, would not take that into consideration in regards to the long run or more importantly, with whom I will love endlessly.
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I’ve never dated a man who cared one way or the other, and if I did… well, we already covered how I would handle it…”
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http://thegloss.com/sex-and-dating/poll-is-the-term-slut-only-ok-when-referring-to-ourselves-207/comment-page-1/#comment-403758
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Much of what you write here is context specific. Locking-n the young guy would not work in other countries with different legal regime and demographics.
For instance, in Russia, many young men are snatched at a realtively young age. Then they turn into so called alphas with the help of their wives – only to abandon their partners at the age of 40+. There’s this saying that men replace one 40 y.o. wife with two 20-year-olds. With many companies paying “gray” salaries, alimony is difficult to collect and then there’s is huge supply of young women willing to have an affair with a married alpha, beta, gamma and whatever guy, as even just a nice guy is quite a rarity in that market.
P.S. Just stumbled upon this amazing blog. I am getting fond of its analytical approach to the relationships. I wish I knew these things when I was younger.
1. [i]If you’re lucky enough to land one of these men, lock it down.[/i]
locking him up won’t prevent him from divorcing her when they are in their mid forties and from him marrying a younger woman or having a mistress or two. Or more. The divorce laws can penalize men for that, but there’s still a chance. Lock-in mechanisms do not change how modern men and women appraise attractiveness of their potential partners over time. It’s the same thing in countries that are more traditional and are not hooked up to hook up culture yet. Older women are vulnerable to being betrayed after they invested their youth in the marriage.
2. I feel hypergamy is overrated. I personally was seeking men who would be like younger versions of my favorite male relatives: intelligent, well read, not really tall, darker skinned, muscular but on a slender side. I hated to see body hair on men when I was younger. Put me too close to a 6+ ft tall big hairy aggressive guy and I will shy away. I am simple scared of this on the gut level – I was raised in a loving family but I was not used to dealing with high testosterone men. FYI My dad was an average height dark very handsome but also extremely slim young man; nevertheless held managerial position with 500 employees under his supervision when he was 24. He did not manage by bullying, it just took a proper education and some brain to get there.
3. I read some stupid test on evaluating “alpha male value” and realized that some of the brilliant guys that I know, who are from very good families, who had excellent education and very good upbringing, are actually lower end betas. Ok one is bold so what, many bold guys are incredibly handsome. Besides they won’t steal your expensive shampoos. They didn’t jump on me humping even as we were hanging out and drinking, and invested a lot of time to court me and as a rule (ahem) behaved like gentlemen – why wouldn’t I be attracted to them??
On the other hand, the detailed descriptions of alpha guys better match what I would call a crass and rude person with no morals or class. There’s no way I’d let the guy near me.
What is wrong with people these days? Why would women would be throwing themselves at jerks and hurting betas? I was trained to look for a guys education and at his family (it did not save me though). Probably the problem here is not with guy’s strategies but lack of values and ability to think ahead. I also suspect that there’s huge peer pressure to behave like that and it can be countered by teaching young women to resist the peer pressure and to be true to their values.
4. I had my share of hear pain. I was strung along by a guy to whom I was loyal for long 5 years. Another man who I passionately fell in love with, lied to me about his marriage status. Guess who were these guys? Lower end betas. Any selfish person, high testosterone or not, is able to behave like a jerk, given circumstances. I was stupid to wait for so long and I was stupid not to properly vet a person before letting him flirt to me like he did. They had a chance to use and they did it, alpha or not.
5. Thank you for so much information. I wish I knew these things then. I can’t change my life but if I could and if I were 18 now, I would focus on the first and foremost biological imperative – having children. I focused on looking for romantic love first and that was a mistake. Among other things there was shaming of single mothers or of those who got pregnant “too early”. It was considered low class and a sign that the woman was “loose”. That stopped me and I regret that. I would plan to have children by the age of 25 with just an adequate guy capable of being a parent, within marriage or not, and focus on going my own way. If he was willing to marry me, I would get ahead and try wholeheartedly to work it out. I’d also focus more strongly on building my independence and safety network, whether I was married or not. There are so many unknowns and there are no foolproof mechanisms to avoid being exploited. In relationships, I’d just focus on maintaining my dignity, developing my communication and people skills, and surrounding myself with people who respect themselves and others.
3. I spend some time reading manosphere blogs that you linked here, and don’t get all their whining about angry feminists. Don’t these horny guys get the carte blanche for their sexual exploits. Why be bitter still
….I am sorry for all the typos and errors. Should have wrote the draft in a notepad first
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