Vox Day has requested the assistance of HUS readers in providing some data for a hypothesis he’s testing. I don’t know the particulars, but Vox is a profound and always interesting thinker.
Please leave a comment answering these three questions:
1. What year were you born?
2. What was your father’s age when you were born?
3. Are you religious?
At the risk of sounding like an NPR fundraiser, I’d love to get him 200 pieces of data in the next few days!
Embrace the challenge! Thanks.
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1987
46
No
1978
46
No
1974
30
Yes
1979
20
No
1960
28
No
1987
26
Yes
1980
25
Yes
1964
28
Define?
1980
43
No
1962; 31; yes
1954
24
Yes
1979
24
No
1978
27
Yes
1983
22
No
1969
23
religious, but not spiritual
1989
35
No.
1946
23
no
1. What year were you born? 1970
2. What was your father’s age when you were born? I don’t know exactly, but early 20′s
3. Are you religious? No but I am spiritual.
1983
41
No
1969
27
Agnostic
1987
29
No
1. 1968
2. 28
3. No
1986
46
No
1992
38
Yes
1967
35
agnostic
Susan: “At the risk of sounding like an NPR fundraiser, I’d love to get him 200 pieces of data in the next few days! “
If I pledge three data points or more, can I get the official HUS coffee mug?
1989
28
No
1973
24
no
1985
21
No
1969
40
very
1991
39
No, Im not religious
1973
44 years 7 months
No (agnostic)
1989
32
No
1972, 28, and no – deconverted.
“If I pledge three data points or more, can I get the official HUS coffee mug?”
I would like a shirt that reads:
“I visited HUS and all I got was a female perspective and this shirt”
I guess that might not be so good in terms of advertising though…
@Te
Gosh, you are witty lately! Marriage must be treating you well.
Mid 1950s
40
Quite, but not in a fundy way.
1971
25
No
1960
33
No
Um… you’re not collecting gender information…
1981
25
No
1968
27
Yes
1983
36
No
Just in case anyone had any questions, either general, or specific, about my gender, I just want to make it clear that I am not a girl, both for the purposes of this survey and for any other purpose to which knowledge of my gender is applicable.
I also wanted to be clear that my actual non-girl gender is coextensive and identical with, and to, my asserted gender in this comment, in this thread, in my marriage, and in my professional career.
1978
31
No
I asked about that, Vox said no need.
Thanks, guys, this is an awesome response in a short time. I think Vox will be pleased.
I also notice a bunch of first-time commenters in this thread. Please come back again and join the conversation!
1951
27
Yes
1954
28
yes
1979
50
Yes
1978
26
raised christian
67
39
somewhat
1980
30
Nope
1959
29
yes
““I visited HUS and all I got was a female perspective and this shirt”"
HAHAHAHAHA.
I also wanted to be clear that my actual non-girl gender is coextensive and identical with, and to, my asserted gender in this comment, in this thread, in my marriage, and in my professional career.
So you are a cisgendered male? I love saying cisgendered. It’s such a funny word.
1963
24
Yes
@J
“So you are a cisgendered male? I love saying cisgendered. It’s such a funny word.”
To be more precise, I’m a cisgendered male who engages in certain vocationally specialized, non gender specific behaviors, such as periodically suing large corporate entities, which, while legally being persons, lack inherent gender orientations.
So I do spend a significant amount of time engaging in activities with non-gendered persons.
I personally feel that this has no impact on my self-identification as a cisgendered male.
1992
34
Yes
1988
23
No
1985
19
no – I’m humanist/agnostic/athiest
1963
35
no (my mother just wept)
1962
29
Yes
1980
22
not anymore
1986
33
No
1988
27
Yes
1974
27
no (agnostic)
I personally feel that this has no impact on my self-identification as a cisgendered male.
That’s terrific. Sometimes being around neutrally gendered entities can have a deleterious effect on one’s gender identity. Don’t let the SOBs pressure you into no longer being cisgendered.
I’m cisgendered myself.
@J
LOL!
1975
23
No
1989
39
No
1. What year were you born?
1977
2. What was your father’s age when you were born?
24
3. Are you religious?
No.
1982
33
NO
1986
44
yes
1972
30
Yes
1979
34
No
I can’t remember what this means. Is Jaclyn Friedman cisgendered or non-cisgendered?
1. 1990
2. 38
3. No
1. 1977
2. 24
3. no
1. What year were you born?
1984
2. What was your father’s age when you were born?
29
3. Are you religious?
No
1991
46
Yes
1988
33
No
1975
26
No
1985
30
No – retired Catholic
1983
28
Yes
1. 1992
2. 40
3. Yes
1974
35
No.
1974
33
No. Considering Roman Catholic.
1986
26
Yes
1992
27
YES!
1985
32
Yes
1969
31
Hmmm. I consider myself Christian, but want nothing to do with organized religion. So, am I “religious?” Not really.
1987
38
No
1992
44
No
1992
40
Not really. Connections to the Episcopalian church but not truly religious.
1977
33
Not really. Christian and believe in God, but don’t attend services much
1. 1989
2. 27
3. No
Don’t know about anyone else….but so far I must admit I am intrigued by the number of answers with fathers at 30+ and 35+. This is connected to previous discussions about the age of men and age differentials.
1. 1986
2. 33
3. No
1991
41
Yes
1. 1979
2. 39
3. No
1985
36
No
@J – “That’s terrific. Sometimes being around neutrally gendered entities can have a deleterious effect on one’s gender identity. Don’t let the SOBs pressure you into no longer being cisgendered.
I’m cisgendered myself.”
I’ve felt myself to be cisgendered for so long that even chronic exposure to neutrally gendered entities would have little impact on me.
I think I’m really one of those rare people who has always known that I’m cisgendered and there wasn’t much that anyone was going to do about it. My family was quite accepting of my early embrace of my gender identity. I’m glad that was the case because it meant that I was supported while I was growing up.
Did you always know that you were cisgendered? Or was this something that you discovered when you finally got away from your parents and were finally able to discover your gender identity?
1. … (sorry!)
2. 31
3. Yes
@ Mike C.
“I am intrigued by the number of answers with fathers at 30+ and 35+. ”
very few over 40 and 32-35 looks like average? But I admit I didn’t count and could be way off.
If only we all mentioned our moms ages as well!
1957
29
Yes
I can’t remember what this means. Is Jaclyn Friedman cisgendered or non-cisgendered?
It’s the opposite of trasgendered, or, as one might say more colloquially and politically correctly, normal.
JF is herself cisgendered, but she is an equally opportunity dater.
Did you always know that you were cisgendered?
Yes, but I was not as fortunate as you were in terms of getting parental support and unconditional love.
There was a period of time that a wee J embraced her feminine identity with such fervor that she insisted that she be only dressed in pink and be surrounded by pink. Her indulgent father painted the walls of her bedroom and her bookcase pink. He would take her shopping and buy her pretty pink dresses and blouses and even a pink spring coat with a matching pink and white hat. J’s mother, being the more practical parent, was alarmed that J might disappear into her environment like some sort of strange chameleon, so she put a stop to J’s nonsense and threatened to repaint the room “poop brown.”
Needless to say, I have never been the same since.
1985, 28, no (atheist)
1963
25
yes
1. 1973
2. 34
3. No
1981
23
Yes, Mormon
1. 1971
2. 26
3. I believe the religious impulse is as essential & intrinsic a part of our humanity as food & sex, art & music. That doesn’t, however, mean I believe in, agree with, or follow any organized religion that presently exists today.
I don’t know where that places me, category-wise, but I don’t know any other way to answer the question.
@Snowdrop
Ah, it’s great to see you! It’s been a while, I hope all is well.
1. 1990
2. 24
3. Yes
1987
31
agnostic / atheist
Susan, you do realize VD is just putting up a smear campaign out of biased perception against atheists, right? The fact the title of his post reads “Atheists and Daddy Issues” reveals a great lot.
As for the hypothesis, indicating that you are an atheist does not necessarily correlate with autism/Asperger, the better survey would actually ask if you have been diagnosed with that disorder. Other than that, I don’t think he’d mind confusing introversion with autism without justification (an introvert can most certainly relate to the mind of others). This pseudo-science survey is a mere bypass to divert the attention away from the gaping holes in the religion that he adheres to. A matter creationists try to avoid at all costs. Don’t forget autism may indicate a problem towards towards social interaction, it says absolutely nothing of a deficiency in logical reasoning and analysis. As a matter of fact, they appear to have a rather good reputation there.
Biology has databases of evidence supporting evolution, and none falsifies its premises, despite being very bold in its predictions. Creationists have at best Conservapedia, once of plenty reasons they form the laughing stock of the world. Good luck with the already failed experiment.
1981
34
No
1985
38
Not really, more for the culture/heritage
1. What year were you born? 1989
2. What was your father’s age when you were born? 42
3. Are you religious? no
1. 1990
2. 42
3. no
1957
49
Yes
1984
36
No, but I am spiritual.
Susan, you do realize VD is just putting up a smear campaign out of biased perception against atheists, right? The fact the title of his post reads “Atheists and Daddy Issues” reveals a great lot.
That is an absurd accusation. A number of atheists claimed the same thing when I was the first to propose a link between atheism and a mild form of autism back in 2008. There are now four scientific studies from reputable scientists at major universities supporting precisely such a link. I also note that attacking a hypothesis on the basis of its supposed formulation is an intrinsically anti-scientific action.
It is extremely amusing to hear this sort of thing from materialists who believe in science uber alles. I mean, do you truly not understand that even if the material reductionists are entirely correct, logic dictates that there must be some material difference between those who believe in God and those who do not?
As for the hypothesis, indicating that you are an atheist does not necessarily correlate with autism/Asperger, the better survey would actually ask if you have been diagnosed with that disorder. Other than that, I don’t think he’d mind confusing introversion with autism without justification (an introvert can most certainly relate to the mind of others). This pseudo-science survey is a mere bypass to divert the attention away from the gaping holes in the religion that he adheres to. A matter creationists try to avoid at all costs.
Of course it does not, correlation not equating causation and all that. We’re dealing in slight probabilities here, not matters of binary causation. And this is not a flawless scientific survey, however, as one of the scientists with whom I correspond notes, “the fact that you have a convenience sample rather than a statistically representative sample doesn’t invalidate your sample, just limits how much one can generalize from it.” But neither is the survey pseudo-science, it is simply an easy means of testing a hypothesis to see if it might be worth more rigorous investigation. So far, the indication is that there is a statistically significant link, however, that link is at least partially, and perhaps entirely, the result of the demographic confound. A more rigorous collection of a statistically representative sample will help us sort that out; the point is that we now know it is worth bothering with the effort.
As for evolution, you have it entirely backwards, as your own comment suffices to demonstrate. I don’t know any creationists who shy away from the subject. Instead, it is atheists who invariably bring up evolution when it is not relevant in an attempt to change the subject when they feel they are losing a debate. Far from avoiding the subject of evolution, or as I prefer to call it, the Theorum of Evolution by (probably) Natural Selection, Biased Mutation, Genetic Drift, and Gene Flow, (or TE(p)NSBMGDaGF for short), I am always pleased to discuss the topic with anyone who considers himself sufficiently well versed on it to do so.
But on my blog, not here, where it is not the least bit relevant unless Susan deems it so.
1980
29
Occasionally
1981
27
Not in the slightest.
1983
31
No
1962
38
somewhat
a. 1973
b. 30
c. No
1970
23
Agnostic, with a great appreciation for Christian teachings.
1987
44
Religious, not so much. However, Spiritual.
1978
30
No
1967; 36; yes.
1978, 31, yes but don’t follow organized religion.
1952
29
yes
1958
23
NO
1. 1988
2. 36
3. No
1959
35
It’s complicated.
When was I born? 1970s.
How old was my dad when I was born? He was in his 30s.
Am I religious? Yes indeed, I was raised Roman Catholic, but I’m currently mainline Protestant, with high church Anglo-Catholic leanings: attending services weekly, training in Education for Ministry, serving as adult education coordinator and a lay eucharistic minister. I’m an Episcopalian church lady who wears hat and gloves on Easter Sunday.
-1985
-29
-No
1986
22
Yes
1. 1985
2. 45
3. No
1. 1988
2. 28
3. Yes
1982
31
No
1975
29
Yes, profoundly
1985
22
No
1973
30
Not actively
Not sure if it’s too late to do this, but here goes.
1988
early 40s
somewhat