Promiscuity is often linked to maladaptive personality traits. Hare’s Psychopathy Checklist includes it in two of its 20 items:
11. PROMISCUOUS SEXUAL BEHAVIOR — a variety of brief, superficial relations, numerous affairs, and an indiscriminate selection of sexual partners; the maintenance of several relationships at the same time; a history of attempts to sexually coerce others into sexual activity or taking great pride at discussing sexual exploits or conquests.The Dark Triad traits of narcissism, Machiavellianism, and sociopathy are linked to a short-term mating orientation, resulting in more sexual partners but poor relationships.
17. MANY SHORT-TERM RELATIONSHIPS — a lack of commitment to a long-term relationship reflected in inconsistent, undependable, and unreliable commitments in life, including marital.
There is also considerable research correlating promiscuity to the personality traits of low agreeableness and low conscientiousness. Extraverted, impulsive, and sensation-seeking personalities predict:
- Multiple sexual partners
- Unprotected sex
- Intoxicated sex
- No-strings sex
New research by psychologists Dr. Martin Sellbom and his doctoral student Rebecca M. Kastner at the University of Alabama explores the boundaries further by examining psychopathy above and beyond personality traits relative to sexual behavior (Hat tip: J). In Hypersexuality in college students: The role of psychopathy, Sellbom and Kastner looked at the link between psychopathy and hypersexuality in 393 undergraduate students. Using the Psychopathy Personality Inventory (PPI), which has been found valid in criminal, community and college settings, the researchers looked at two particular aspects of psychopathic behavior.
1. Fearless Dominance
- Charming
- Grandiose
- Eager to take risks with little regard for consequences
- Absence of anxiety
2. Impulsive Antisociality
- Reckless disregard for safety of self and others
- Aggressive
- Impulsive
- Blames others for personal misfortunes
- Uses others for personal gain
(Note how closely these descriptions align with the Charming Sociopath and Brooding Loner of my previous post.)
Per the study, previous findings:
- Theoretical underpinnings for the link between psychopathy and hypersexuality include an underactive behavior inhibition system (BIS), which would lead to a failure of behavior regulation, including inhibiting sexual behavior in potential threatening contexts (e.g., Hughes, Moore, Morris, & Corr, 2012).
- Psychopathy has been associated with promiscuous sexual relations at a young age for both men and women (Visser, Pozzebon, Bogaert, & Ashton, 2010).
- Impulsivity/irresponsibility were significant predictors of risky sexual behavior in adolescents, particularly girls (Rucevic, 2010).
- In a sample of college students, Jonason, Li, Webster, and Schmitt (2009) found that psychopathy was related to an exploitative social style measured by several aspects of hypersexuality including sociosexuality, number of sex partners, seeking a short-term mate, and short-term mating.
- Primary psychopathy (callousness, charm, egocentrism) in both men and women is associated with coercion to gain short-term sexual partners (Fulton et al., 2010; Muñoz, Khan, & Cordwell, 2011).
- Gender differences on indicators of social dominance (high social dominance in men; low social dominance in women) have been shown to predict infidelity in a community sample (Egan & Angus, 2004).
The contribution of the current study was an investigation of the link between Fearless Dominance (FD) and Impulsive Antisociality (IA) to hypersexuality. Sellbom and Kastner looked at the correlation between the PPI and numerous other personality and sexuality inventories. Of particular interest was the Sociosexuality Orientation Inventory. The SOI is of great interest to me here at HUS, because it measures a person’s attitudes towards sexual behavior and reliably predicts that behavior. The ability to predict promiscuous behavior is obviously of critical importance in selecting a partner.
The construct of sociosexuality or sociosexual orientation captures individual differences in the tendency to have casual, uncommitted sexual relationships.
…[The SOI] assesses sociosexual orientations along a single dimension from “restricted” (indicating a tendency to have sex exclusively in emotionally close and committed relationships) to “unrestricted” (indicating a tendency for sexual relationships with low commitment and investment, often after short periods of acquaintance and with changing partners).
On average, men tend to be more unrestricted than women in their sociosexual orientations, though there are also large individual differences within both sexes (Schmitt, 2005).
The current study looked at the following SOI factors:
1. Number of sexual partners in the past year
2. Number of sexual partners in the next 5 years
3. Number of one time sexual partners
4. Number of partners used condom with
5. Number of times fantasized about someone other than partner
6. Sex without love is OK
7. Enjoy casual sex with different partners
8. Need to be attached to partner to enjoy sex (reversed)
The Findings
The current findings indicate that psychopathy adds to the prediction of hypersexuality above and beyond sensation seeking, antisociality, and impulsivity. Both factors offer unique prediction of hypersexuality; however, IA was generally a stronger predictor than FD. For risky sexual behavior in particular, an interaction effect for the factors was significant; thus, high scores on both FD and IA predict higher levels of hypersexuality than either factor individually. In other words, individuals who are fearless, interpersonally assertive, egocentric, exploitative, and impulsive are especially prone to engaging in sexual behavior with potentially harmful consequences.
…There is something about the maladaptive constellation of psychopathic personality traits that afford particularly high risk for dangerous sexual practices.
…Both facets of psychopathy were predictive of these various processes with the exception of sexual inhibition. Impulsive-Antisociality was generally the better predictor, which is not unexpected because this psychopathy facet tends to be associated with overt behavioral outcomes in general, including the inability to delay gratification and lack of careful consider- ation of consequences (e.g., Benning et al., 2005a).
Interestingly, they found that while most people experience some sexual inhibition due to the threat of performance failure, the presence of Fearless Dominance hampered inhibition. “Individuals high on this psychopathy facet might be particularly prone to seek out thrilling, dangerous, and otherwise anxiety provoking sexual situations.” This is in keeping with the testimonials of various promiscuous men online, who generally display strong immunity to feelings of failure or rejection.
Psychopathy in the Population
Futurist and ethicist George Dvorsky notes that psychopathy results from dysfunction in the amygdala. It’s estimated that 1-2% of individuals are psychopaths, and 3-5% of people in business are!
Scientists have determined that there is a genetic component to psychopathy. They argue that genetic factors may generally influence the development of psychopathy while environmental factors affect the specific traits that predominate. Geneticists have calculated that the heritability coefficient for psychopathy is around 50%.
Psychologist Robert Hare has argued that psychopathy does indeed have a genetic component. He has observed how many (male) psychopaths have a pattern of mating with, and quickly abandoning women, and as a result, have a high fertility rate. His contention is that these children may inherit a predisposition to psychopathy.
It seems reasonable to hypothesize that the current SMP, with its culture of casual sex, comprises a strong environmental factor that creates or exacerbates psychopathy in both men and women.
Evolutionary psychologists theorize that psychopathy represents a frequency-dependent, socially parasitic strategy. This may only work, however, as long as there are few other psychopaths in the community. More psychopaths means that there’s an increased risk of encountering another psychopath as well as non-psychopaths likely adapting more countermeasures against cheaters.
That said, this “social parasite” theory doesn’t take into account the ways in which psychopaths can be successful in modern society. It might be an increasingly adaptive trait. As already noted, there’s a heightened tendency for psychopaths to enter into the business world. Similarly, there’s the (potentially) increased likelihood for political success.
It’s also quite possible that humans are evolving away from psychopathy. Perhaps the 1-2% is the smallest proportion yet in our species’ history. It’s generally thought, for example, that women are selecting for kinder, gentler males. This self-domestication has resulted in an increase in empathetic traits over time. It’s quite possible that we’re the “kindest” version ever to appear in our evolutionary trajectory.
The Bottom Line
Not all psychopaths are sexy, and not all sexy people are psychopaths, but the link to promiscuity is significant. I advise both sexes to avoid promiscuous partners. Even if you can live with their body count, they’ve likely got other maladaptive qualities that make them deficient in forming and sustaining relationships. Using the 8 sociosexuality orientation criteria above would be an excellent proxy for identifying psychopathy in both sexes.
The researchers end their paper by recommending identifying at-risk individuals in an attempt to “decrease behaviors that are unhealthy for themselves or others.” I have some suggestions as to where these psychopaths may be found on campus. 
You’ve been warned. Proceed with the Brooding Loner or Charming Sociopath at your own risk.
Many thanks to Dr. Martin Sellbom, who graciously provided the study gratis at my request.
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Does Dr. Hare have any tips on how one can raise his level of psychopathy? I think I could use of boost of all that. Maybe cocaine would do it.
Do they know if the psychopathy is on X or Y? I mean a male psychopath will have daughters that will pass it on to her children or is just the male offspring?
“1. Fearless Dominance
Charming
Grandiose
Eager to take risks with little regard for consequences
Absence of anxiety”
I’ve studied these people for some ten years now. I know some. This is why I believe that Alpha Cads are charming on the surface, which covers up their feelings of shame and humiliation. It’s why I’ve seen cads ultimately allow themselves to be abused by women (it’s become a cliche’ about the really dominant guy regularly visiting a dominatrix).
These Game-playing PUA are not admirable. Every one of them I know has severely damaged his life.
I have also seen the same damaging effects on women.
Pretty much agree with all of this
Bob sounds just like Escoffier sounded when he first showed up in the ‘sphere about a year or two ago. lol
I dunno Bob, from his blog it looks like Roosh is having a pretty good time.
Good job listing the qualities we all need to run away from really fast.
@Uncle Bob
That seems a startlingly simplistic summary of what is, without a doubt, a very complex and sophisticated mating strategy. Yes, I said “mating strategy”, and not an unsuccessful one. I’ve studied these dudes for years myself, and know plenty who haven’t “destroyed their lives” — on the contrary, they’re often some of the most successful and creative people I know.
The Dark Triad traits are, indeed, well known as “psychopathic”, but remember that much of the determination of metrics for studies like this are highly subjective and subject to investigator bias. And, apparently, reader bias. I think a lot of cultural baggage has to be jettisoned before any meaningful understanding of these folks can happen — condemning them out-of-hand because you do not share their values or their priorities seems unfair. They have pursued their course of action for very definite reasons, in my experience, often extremely compelling reasons.
But perhaps we hang around different classes of PUA…
It’s hard to escape sociopathy if you want to succeed or even survive the current dating market. Even if you don’t start out that way.
I’m an inherently kind person, and eventually the observational data about how women disrespect average, genuine people and lap up alpha behavior became to great to ignore. So I started acting like a jerk. And I didn’t study game, I don’t research negs, or push-pull, or anything like that. I just adopted a simple frame of mind around which to base my behavior and interaction: A woman isn’t worh 15 seconds of thought or worth spending the price of a cup of coffee on.
Now I view women as completely interchangable and unremarkable. Getting turned down by one is meaningless, because there’s nothing special about her as a person. She’s completely replaceable by the next person of equal attractiveness I see. Women are barely people in my eyes anymore.
Positive reinforcement of success with women reinforced my cynicism so profoundly, that I’ve basically lost the ability to respect the gender and create fulfilling relationships. I know too much about how women work to consider them as equals in terms of character, virtue, honor, etc.
By chasing success with women, I essentially became a sociopath.
I should clarify, I’ve never hurt a woman or done anything without consent. And I’ve never thought about hurting a woman.
I should also say, not all people react the same way as me. Many are happy to just live in the moment and enjoy all the pussy they’re getting. But I’m fairly cerebral, and it never escapes me exactly what kind of behavior I’m putting out there, and how women are happy to treat men with genuine interest like crap in pursuit of detached, uncaring people like me.
So the cynicism snowballs with every close.
For some, others, success with women actually breeds more misogyny than they felt when they were unsuccessful. Because at least when they’re unsuccessful they’re confused or blissfully ignorant.
What bugs me is that sociopaths are often NOT Alpha. Cheap bragging is one thing. The people who’ve actually DONE great things are often pretty humble about it.
@Ian Underwood
“That seems a startlingly simplistic summary of what is, without a doubt, a very complex and sophisticated mating strategy”
All serial killers are psychopaths. They torture, mutilate, and murder dozens. Sometimes they are necrophiliacs and cannibals. They’re monsters.
These people today are imprisoned for life or else executed.
Contrary to the hallucinations of evo-psych and the ignorant in the Manosphere, these people weren’t leaders or soldiers in the past or today – they were killed.
Where exactly do you think the legend of the werewolf came from? From people finding victims torn to shreds by psychopathic serial killers.
Very complex and sophisticated mating strategy.
A very complex
@Bob Wallace
We still imprison and execute psychopaths. They just have access to fan-mail, marriage proposals, and erotic fan-fiction from their female admirers in prison these days.
I’ve studied these dudes for years myself, and know plenty who haven’t “destroyed their lives” — on the contrary, they’re often some of the most successful and creative people I know.
Do you have any information if they destroyed other people’s lives pursuing their mating strategy?
Also IME psychopaths don’t realize the damage their done as long as their dicks get hard. Passing Andropause there is a lot of regret in their lives if they don’t get killed before that is, YMMV.
2 Anacaona September 5, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Please consult “The Mask of Sanity” by Hervey Cleckley, first book to introduce the term “psychopath” and to discuss actual cases.
The thing your are looking are patient #2 (named Roberta) and patient #6 (named Anna) So it is definitely not a male only thing.
The descriptions are quaint (this is a 1941 book after all) – certainly no axe murderers there – but then again these are the women, whose psychopathy was so pronounced, that in the world where there was no such notion as “psychopathy” AT ALL they were still recognized as insane.
And yes, you can see connection between psychopathy and sex in the book.
Roberta was a prostitute for a short time – becoming one out of convenience to support herself why she stayed in a city where she had no relatives or friends. She did not reflect this decision as anything significant in her life – it was not a hard choice or a vicious jab at her family for wronging her – it was convenience.
Anna’s history of psychopathy started with an a college boy club in which she willingly and freely had sex with the boys that were part of the club.
So yes, psychopathy. The charming allure of a person, who is medically proven to have no feelings and no empathy whatsoever, and who can shove a butter knife in your throat our of sheer curiosity of “I wonder how silver looks on crimson”
You know, fun times.
I essentially became a sociopath.
It’s not possible. Sociopaths are born, not made. I know, I’m related to at least one, possibly two. If you’ve read any of Hare’s work, then you’ll learn there is no overlap between the PUA using Game and the genuine sociopath, even though the PUA will adopt some of the sociopath’s tactics. Sociopaths will shamelessly lie about absolutely crazy things they cannot possibly conceal and take absolutely crazy risks that no sane individual could rationalize. They are charming and intense because there is no person inside, they are all surface impressions and short-term impulses.
This is why I believe that Alpha Cads are charming on the surface, which covers up their feelings of shame and humiliation.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Sociopaths feel no shame. They can’t be humiliated. You can catch them in the most absurd lie, and they will shrug it off with a smile and a complete absence of remorse. There is a reason Hare’s book is called “The Mask of Sanity”. They’re not sane people and they have zero empathy. It is this lack of empathy that permits them to lie so shamelessly and so successfully. The Dark Triad is extremely attractive to women taken in combination, but most of the negative behavior stems from the sociopathy aspect. And if you have one in your life, your best bet is to cut them out of it as soon and as completely as possible. They leave devastation in their wake.
The best way to identify them is if you have the sense the person is a black hole. They can literally never get enough. If a guy is WAY too into you in far too short a period of time, this is a red flag.
@VD
Fair enough. I did say essentially, not literally.
Please consult “The Mask of Sanity” by Hervey Cleckley, first book to introduce the term “psychopath” and to discuss actual cases.
The thing your are looking are patient #2 (named Roberta) and patient #6 (named Anna) So it is definitely not a male only thing.
Oops sorry of course females can be too. I just have more experience with the male side of the equation. Thanks for the book. It seems familiar though I might had read it already but probably didn’t finished though as much as is a fascinating subject some things are too out of my tiny brain to relate.
@Passer By
You are a joy to have around PB, you always make me laugh.
Maybe we’ll learn that psychopaths smell different. I’ll bottle the pheromones and sell them as “Essence of Psychopath – Only the Good Parts.” Or maybe just James Bond cologne.
That guy Dvorsky (the futurist) sees a time when psychopathy is “cured” with pharmaceuticals and or amygdala surgery. He also anticipates that when the genes are isolated there will be prenatal tests to let parents know their unborn child is a psychopath. Isn’t that chilling?
Also, apparently Zoloft alleviates some psychopathic behaviors, while behavioral therapies make it much worse.
And if you have one in your life, your best bet is to cut them out of it as soon and as completely as possible. They leave devastation in their wake.
My life improved 1000 times when I cut my psychopath of a brother out of it for good like 12 years ago, my husband has never meet him and with luck never will. Every single member of the family that has stayed in contact is always in trouble because of him and getting him out of trouble. He plays the “Please help me I will do better next time it was someone’s else’s fault” card so well…and he had been doing that since he was 4. Is amazing if you don’t have to deal with it that is.
I don’t believe they’ve isolated the genes yet. They have just looked at the brain activity and structure of psychopaths and found key differences. I do know that both males and females can be psychopaths. There were only minor sex differences in the study, which I pointed out in the post.
Years ago in my PUA days I came across a few sociopaths. Extremely charismatic, impulsive and reckless. Obviously got laid like tile, but there was an emptiness. Like looking into a cats eyes.
One guy at a lair meeting once (yes, I went to these; don’t laugh) talked about wanting to turn his girls into prostitutes by first palming them off to his friends at parties and then slowly turning them via drugs. It was a pure power trip for him. My friends and I were truly sickened and avoided him and his cronies after that.
It reminds me that game truely is amoral. I made a friend at that lair who had vowed to remain a virgin until marriage while still learning game to find ‘The One’ and then I met psychos like the above.
Or maybe just James Bond cologne.
Hey! I resent that! Mr Bond might be a shameless womanizer but he never killed innocent people just to see what it looks like. He was at his majesty service and was trained to kill only when necessary for a mission and even though he probably has all the STD’s available to humankind, and two that only can be found on sharks, he provides a good service to humanity by getting rid of world threats and real psychopaths, YMMV.
*Bondgirlhatsoff*
Like looking into a cats eyes.
*facepalm* You never had a cat had you?
Is today the day to insult Ana’s favorite things? I’m waiting for a Twilight insult in 3…2…1… :p
@Antitype
Thanks for your honesty, that’s a very sobering account. For men especially, it seems all so clear up front. Want sex? Hell yeah! Then all that casual sex warps you. I don’t know if guys like you who aren’t naturally (genetically) sociopathic can hit the reset button somehow. If there was any chance I do think it would involve going cold turkey on that behavior. Then again, perhaps you like your life now and don’t care about the relationships. If so, then you really have succeeded in fully converting.
@Infantry
It’s true, having a woman do things she’s not particularly comfortable with simply because she’s so attracted to you (or in love with you… whatever her vagina has convinced her brain to think) is a power trip.
Power trips aren’t inherently bad though. The only reason I’m invested in giving women I have sex with orgasms is the power trip of knowing I could make their body do what I wanted.
Yeah, it’s a bit sad when names for personality disorders become badges that cool kids pin on their waists.
People go around bragging how they are sociopaths, psychopaths or have Ausperger syndrom. To me this is about as moral as claiming to be a cancer survivor.
Especially when people with real PDs had to go through shit like this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfozinum
@Bob Wallace
“I’ve studied these people for some ten years now. I know some. This is why I believe that Alpha Cads are charming on the surface, which covers up their feelings of shame and humiliation.”
Bob, what do you know about NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder– though it may be renamed through the last DSM-IV)?
I ask because I see a lot of overlap between the characteristics described between psychopaths and clinical narcissists: Lack of remorse, delusions of grandeur, habitual lying; basically they leave their victims’ psyches a destroyed wasteland.
But whereas psychopaths have no “there” there, Ns have a false self that is rather dazzling and purposely created to cover up their epic shame and humiliation.
Sam Vaknin (_Malignant Narcissism_– fascinating book) has a lot of YouTubes that briefly analyze facets of NPD. He is also completely upfront about being a narcissist, so he is a fitting study for his self-obsession; like a snake eating its own tail, to use a gross metaphor.
In many ways, PUAs are a textbook case for these; they develop a false self right down to the point of giving it a name (Mystery, Style, etc). Their actions and words are studied, rehearsed, practiced and utterly inauthentic. I think Ricky Raw has a great analysis of this, if you are interested, on his blog.
@Susan
I’ve tried that before, but there are two problems.
1) Awareness. Even if I’m not pursuing women, I’m still aware of what’s around me. I see the men they’re clamoring for, the ones they’re treating like crap. That’d they’d prefer to be one type of man’s toy in a club bathroom one night than entertain the affection of somebody that really admires them (or some part of them). That in of itself is enough to keep the cynicism about female character alive and well.
2) Is there any better incentive or mode of positive reinforcement than orgasm?
@Antitype
“Women are barely people in my eyes anymore.”
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Even your mom and sisters?
@Deli
Male worth in today’s society is measured by the amount of high-end pussy you score.
Sociopaths, psychopaths, narcissists score pussy, and people see it. So obviously, they become the badges of honor, the titles associated with success. Simply put, those words have sex appeal.*
Were male worth dictated by other means, or were high-end pussy secured less consistently by those without the hallmarks of anti-social dispositions, they wouldn’t have that sex appeal, and the words would instill fear and disgust instead of excitement.
*for the vast majority of the population, since none of them have had their lives significantly impacted by one.
@ Bob Wallace #12
How do you explain Klebold & Harris ; George Sodini ; Seung-Hui Cho ; and James Holmes ?
Were they the same ?
The Psychopathic Personality Inventory is a highly validated and respected instrument. It is equally accurate for incarcerated criminals and college students.
The PPI was developed by psychologists Scott Lilienfeld (now at Emory University) and Brian Andrews to comprehensively index the personality traits without assuming particular links to anti-social or criminal behaviors.
The PPI was revised in 2005 to become the PPI-R (Lilienfeld & Widows) and now comprises 154 items organized into eight subscales. The item scores have generally been found to group into two overarching and largely separate factors, plus a third factor which is mainly dependent on scores on the other two:
I: Fearless dominance. Involving social influence, fearlessness, stress immunity.
II: Impulsive antisociality/selfishness. Involving ‘Machiavellian’ egocentricity, Rebellious nonconformity, Blame externalization, Carefree lack of planning.
III: Coldheartedness.
A person may score at different levels on the different factors, but the overall score indicates the global extent of psychopathic personality. Higher scores on factor I are actually associated with emotional stability and social efficacy, as well as reduced empathy. Scores on factor II are more associated with maladaptive tendencies — including aggressiveness, substance use problems, negative feelings and suicidal ideation.
As Dvorsky points out, and Hare jokes about, psychopathy can be a highly effective strategy for social advancement, both professionally and in mating. It does not, however, allow for healthy relationships. Psychopaths are strictly loading zone people – don’t even think of parking there.
@ Antitype
This is why I’ve erred on the cautious side and tried to avoid pursuing relationships rather than change my behavior to get a relationship. I simply do not want to get to the point where I no longer see women as human beings.
@Jackie
Hmmmm…. good point. I guess it’s paradoxes like that that keep me from being a literal sociopath as VD pointed out.
In fact, I think differently about most any women I meet and interact with outside the frame of a sexual encounter. Women I have no interest in getting to know at an intimate level like coworkers, my boss, long-time friends. I’m nowhere near as close or open with them as my male friends or coworkers, but I don’t view them quite as cynically, since the nature of attraction really isn’t a factor in the interaction.
I think they always did. Bad guys have always had their admirers. Women thought this guy was dreamy:
Answer: Ted Bundy
Bundy was regarded as handsome and charismatic by his young female victims, traits he exploited in winning their trust. He typically approached them in public places, feigning an injury or disability, or impersonating an authority figure, before overpowering and assaulting them at a more secluded location. He sometimes revisited his secondary crime scenes for hours at a time, grooming and performing sexual acts with the decomposing corpses until putrefaction and destruction by wild animals made further interaction impossible. He decapitated at least 12 victims and kept some of the severed heads in his apartment for a period of time as mementos. On a few occasions he simply broke into dwellings in the dead of night and bludgeoned victims as they slept.
…During the penalty phase of the trial, Bundy took advantage of an obscure Florida law providing that a marriage declaration in court in the presence of a judge constituted a legal marriage. As he was questioning former Washington State DES coworker Carole Ann Boone—who had moved to Florida to be near Bundy, had testified on his behalf during both trials, and was again testifying on his behalf as a character witness—he asked her to marry him. She accepted, and Bundy declared to the court that they were legally married.
On February 10, 1980 Bundy was sentenced to death by electrocution for a third time. As the sentence was announced he reportedly stood and shouted, “Tell the jury they were wrong!” This third death sentence would be the one ultimately carried out more than nine years later.
In October 1982 Boone gave birth to a daughter and named Bundy as the father. While conjugal visits were not allowed at Raiford Prison, inmates were known to pool their money to bribe guards to allow them intimate time alone with their female visitors.
Marellus:
That’s a good question. We can all recognize the psychopaths who are super-successful with women, but there are plenty who are complete zeros in the SMP. Psychopathy in and of itself seems to cut to both extremes.
My mom met Ted Bundy when she was in college. Some friends of hers fell for the fake cast “please help me carry my books” bit. But I don’t think he killed anyone from our neck of the woods. It towards the end when he was making his away cross country though.
I can see the appeal of psycopaths though. Take Christian Bale in American Psycho. So dreamy, and that intricate knowledge of Huey Lewis… *whew* If I was a hooker he could scratch me up anytime! Or Dennis Hopper in Blue Velvet.. nothing says romance like huffing ether and a heaping dose of sexual sadism. *swoon*
@ Samael
Holy!!! That’s just scary to think about.
I’m nowhere near as close or open with them as my male friends or coworkers, but I don’t view them quite as cynically, since the nature of attraction really isn’t a factor in the interaction.
I used to tell my cad friends that the only reason they liked me was because they weren’t attracted to me. Sex = Destruction for most of them. No matter how good the woman was the moment they dropped their panties for them they would do everything withing their power to get rid of them while still having sex with them. It was bizarre.
@ Antitype
In fact, when I think about it, I think this is the reason I’ve been so reluctant to try and break out of my beta male hamster and actually try showing interest in girls. It’s not that I’m afraid of rejection per se. It’s that as long as I don’t approach girls, I can blame things on my own beta ineptitude. I’m worried that if I do approach girls with bad results (which is what seems to happen with most guys I know who try), then I’m going to get cynical and start acting more jerklike towards them. I just don’t want to get trapped in that vicious cycle of positive reinforcement for such an attitude.
@Samael, INTJ, Susan
Ted Bundy stories! OMG, here is one from my atheist mentor who I just visited:
In the 1970s, she and her best friend took a year off from college to hitch-hike across the USA. (Back then, it was the equivalent of backpacking through Europe. Nowadays, it sounds completely crazy. Anyway, I digress!)
They were somewhere in Washington state when they were thumbing a ride down a two-lane road. A VW Beetle pulled over by the side of the road and asked if the girls wanted a ride. She later told me that he seemed JUST like anybody else. No weird vibes. In fact, he was quite handsome and charming.
She said the only weird thing was that the passenger side bucket seat had been removed, but he made it seem like a logical explanation.
They drove on for a while.
Then the guy started telling them– as a complete non sequitur– the story of a girl who had been mauled by a bear. My mentor said that he really, really got into telling the story– how the bear had trapped her, how she screamed when she couldn’t get away, and what the bear did next. It was at this time, my mentor said, that he “turned.”
Something changed within, and it was like a switch had been flicked to an alter personality. The guy started getting really into the description of the bear’s mutilation and, frankly, it got even grosser and sexual. She said it was obvious the guy was getting extremely turned-on by the description and kind of reveling in it.
It was at this point in time that my mentor was really freaking out and wanted to get out of that little Bug ASAP. She said, You can drop us off here– we’re good. And the guy said, You’re sure? It was a two-lane road. Still in the middle of nowhere. They said YES!!! And scrambled out of the car the second it stopped.
He waved Bye and the car kept going down the two-lane road.
Then, after a minute, the car took a U-turn and went back the way it had been coming from, passing the girls once more.
My mentor didn’t realize until *years* later, once Bundy had been captured and was on TV. She called her friend, “Stacey! Turn on the tv!” And it was the same guy.
Later, she said she knew– she just *knew*– that when the guy had been getting all turned-on by talking about the bear’s mutilation of that poor girl, it was no bear. Bundy was talking about *himself*.
She later found out that the bucket seat had been removed so he was better able to catch his victims and keep them from escaping. She also hypothesized that the reason he didn’t put up much of a fight was because there were two of them and they were both seasoned at that point. These were no naive college girls.
And now, I’ve just scared myself!
THE END
@Anacaona
I hate to break this to you, but James Bond is considered the quintessential Dark Triad male:
Who is James Bond?: The Dark Triad as an Agentic Social Style
@Antitype
Have you ever considered pursuing women who don’t go to clubs and put out for randos? NAWALT.
IDK, maybe not for a man. I can recall some orgasms I had that felt terrible, in the sense that the relationship was wrong, or effed up, or over. Having an orgasm then made me feel awful. I recall hooking up with an ex a few years down the road, and afterward I just wept. He couldn’t understand it, he thought it was great. I thought it was hollow and empty and sad. His body, so familiar, a body I had loved, now older, more mature, meaning nothing to me. I didn’t ever want to feel that again, so I cut off all contact.
@Anti-type (35)
I’m glad to hear you are not completely cynical.
This is just my 3 cents, but I think you should keep those good relationships with your mom (sisters, cousins, etc) strong. Seeing feminine in a positive, non-corrupted and hopefully sweet way will help you save yourself, if you let it.
Good luck and I hope you find what you’re looking for, A-T.
I hate to break this to you, but James Bond is considered the quintessential Dark Triad male:
I haven’t read the books but from the movies I always though he is closer to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bZA236Ijqg
“”Not a crazed gunman Dad, I’m an assassin. Well, the difference bein’ one is a job and the other’s mental sickness!”
“”Feelins’? Look mate, you know who has a lot of feelings?… Blokes what bludgeon their wife to death with a golf trophy. Professionals have standards.”
Also before someone accuses me of liking for a Dark Triad I just like Mr Bond as an ally and in our side not crushes on him.
OMG! Does she remember him? What kind of an impression did he make?
@INTJ
The good news is that you have just proven you are not a sociopath, as you do not blame your misfortunes on others.
@Anacona
Common conception is that the feeling is ‘ok, we’ve had sex, you’re of no worth to me anymore’. And that’s not the case. At least not for me.
Women moisten their panties over a guy with outcome indifference since a guy that has no investment in her clearly has the options to explore elsewhere. Implicit pre-selection as a high-value male.
But then they’re shocked when that outcome indifference isn’t gone the next morning.
No honey, I could walk away before you said yes, and I can walk away after you said yes just as easily.
In order to attract women I enter a mindset of ‘I think nothing of you’…
…so the next morning when I look over and I’m still thinking ‘I think nothing of you’
And even a hint more evaluation would lead to the next logical question:
…why would I want to continue to spend time with somebody who clearly enjoys being disrespected? Who has proven negative character traits to me?
@Susan
The same tactics that work on girls in clubs work on educated, professional girls I meet through industry events, at art gallery openings, at music festivals, and any number of social events.
I genuinely disagree with the notion that the asshole appeal is limited to those girls with low self-esteem, or those with a predisposition towards casual sex (who go to bars and clubs looking for it).
Funnily enough, Ted Bundy was just a run-of-the-mill slimeball beta of mediocre intelligence, the kind of character bred en masse in Western societies. Why people are fascinated by him, I have no idea. The last interview conducted with him clearly proves he was never honest about his intentions and tried to blame his acts on the influence of pornography, which is probably the lamest excuse I can think of.
youtube.com/watch?v=9sIyTfXv2Hk
This is in marked contrast to other serial killers like Carl Panzram, who never spouted any BS about themselves and never expressed any remorse. THAT is true psychopathy.
youtube.com/watch?v=kyND1YH4E-w
Women moisten their panties over a guy with outcome indifference since a guy that has no investment in her clearly has the options to explore elsewhere. Implicit pre-selection as a high-value male.
Some women would had been a more accurate way to start this sentence, IMO.
I genuinely disagree with the notion that the asshole appeal is limited to those girls with low self-esteem, or those with a predisposition towards casual sex (who go to bars and clubs looking for it).
The crazies are everywhere. You need to remember that if you display asshole games 24/7 you are going to attract the ones that like that a lot more than the ones that don’t. Some are probably going to have you on neutral and some others will actually avoid you and if they are not hot enough you probably won’t even notice they couldn’t be around you more if they tried. I know that if a guy started his games on me he was attracted and I found my way out of his line of sight as soon as I could. In fact all my cad friends were with women (girlfriends, wives…) when we started our friendship and I made sure they knew I was not interested on anything else. That saved a lot (not all) but a lot of misunderstandings.
@Antitype
Wow, where do you live? I guess it doesn’t matter, there are stinkers everywhere. I’m glad there are some women you like/respect, if the others want to act that way… Where is Abbot? It’s about time for another penis quip.
@Susan
“I hate to break this to you, but James Bond is considered the quintessential Dark Triad male:”
FFFFFFFFF
And I used to wonder about the trickery/manipulation, high number of girls… I guess I didn’t think too hard because he was fictional and the gadgets ‘n cars were just so awesome.
@Anacaona
“Also before someone accuses me of liking for a Dark Triad I just like Mr Bond as an ally and in our side not crushes on him.
No judgment here, SOMEBODY had to save the space program/nukes/submarines/banks/South Korea -I’ll stop now.
Now I’m going to go to sleep and try not to have horrific dreams of Ted Bundy.
@Jackie
I just spent 45 minutes reading about Ted Bundy. And that detail about the missing passenger seat was included!
Apparently, not only did he return to his victims repeatedly to have sex after they were dead, he also sometimes shampooed them and put makeup on their faces.
OK, I have an eerie story for you. Not as creepy as yours, but I can tell you it freaked me out as a kid.
On August 8, 1969, my father was away (from LA) on business and my mother drove us to visit friends in the Valley for dinner. She hated driving on freeways, and we made our way home on the coast roads, going through Laurel Canyon, near Benedict Canyon. She drove a little sports car:
…which was a pretty narcissistic choice since she had three kids. I was 12 and seated in the front seat, my brothers, aged 9 and 10, were squeezed into the back (no seatbelts). It was a lovely night, and a nice drive, though there were lots of stoplights and it was a very slow way to get home.
Anyway, when the book Helter Skelter came out in 1974 it described the Manson family pulling up to a red light in Laurel Canyon on August 8, 1969. Next to them was a mother and three kids in a small white sports car. Manson decided they should kill the family before proceeding to the Polanski home. His followers immediately agreed, but the light suddenly changed and the small white car sped away.
That was us.
How many near misses do each of us have that we are never even aware of?
That’s just another example of putting a sensationalist title on a publication in order to grap attention. James Bond movies have always been marketed to average men because he personified the common male sexual fantasy of having hot women fall into one’s lap as reward for heroic deeds. That’s it – there’s nothing more to them. There’s no Dark Triad to his character – he’s charming and open to casual sex, but has a sense of duty and justice, and never harms innocents.
@Anacaona
One of my favorite psychopaths ever is played by Ben Kingsley in Sexy Beast:
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSVRGdHFxYc
That’s a great movie.
This thread has taken a turn for the scary.
I’m happy that in my tiny country we don’t have serial killers and/or mass killers I mean I could get killed getting robbed but is less…disturbing to know that you have way to control for that.
And Holle and I agreeing on something too!? Yep this thread is a spooky one
@Susan
:shock
O.
M.
G.
Your story just gave me the chills.
_Helter Skelter_ is the most frightening book ever– I cannot even imagine this. This is officially the SCARIEST thread on HUS. Ever.
*pulls cats closer, re-checks all locks in the house*
oops I meant
The Manson Family has been blanketed by so many layers of sensationalist media bullshit that it’s practically impossible to uncover the truth.
One highly influential but lesser-known Dark Triad character of the 20th Century was Soviet marshal, deputy premier and secret police chief Lavrentiy Beria, who made a habit out of ordering his bodyguards to randomly kidnap teenage girls, whom he later anally raped in his office…and then gave them flowers and some money when letting them go. Even though he was a physically revolting fat slob, he manipulated various women to have sex with him in exchange for false promises of releasing their imprisoned relatives, most of whom were in fact already shot by the time the women offered themselves to him.
@HellHound
Maybe it’s just your name– but you’re way braver than me!
I was reading somewhere, about the YouTubes of voicemails Charles Manson. Apparently, his fans would send him cellphones secretly, bribing the guards, and get him to call them. Seriously creepy.
The thing that I’ve noticed that *everybody* seems to say — even the attorney that opposed him and put him away for life– is how hypnotically mesmerizing the guy was. Manson was interviewed by someone for a magazine; the author thought he had been in there 20 minutes. It had been nearly two hours.
*back to checking my locks*
I’m sure Manson’s manipulative abilities are overrated. After all, just how difficult was it to manipulate an average clueless, sheltered, dumb middle-class young white girl in the ’60s?
Speaking of psychopaths, I keep reading in the Manosphere about “false rape allegations”. That women are having consensual sex with men the night before, then waking up the next morning regretting the sex (because the guy’s a beta or omega or whatever the lingo is) and then calling a lawyer and slapping the poor chap with a legal case of rape!
Seriously?
This is hard to believe. They claim this is common. I’m not buying it.
Do women regret having sex? Sure, sometimes. Are they slapping the men they’ve had regretful sex with with a court summons? Hardly.
Where the heck did the Manosphere come up with this idea?
mediaradar.org/research_on_false_rape_allegations.php
falserapesociety.blogspot.hu/p/prevalence-of-false-rape-claims.html
Read and educate yourself before spouting baseless allegations, Plain Jane.
Antitype, “The same tactics that work on girls in clubs work on educated, professional girls I meet through industry events, at art gallery openings, at music festivals, and any number of social events.”
What do you mean by “work”? The women laugh at a joke? Smile at you? Flirt back if you flirt?
I can’t tell you how many men I’ve met who interpret polite behaviour and normal social behaviour, such as laughing at a joke, smiling, retaining eye contact during a conversation, casual flirty banter as an IOI or indicator of interest.
It got to the point where I had to avoid eye contact during a conversation and not laugh at a joke just so guys wouldn’t think I was being anything more than a polite citizen with minimal social skills.
So when I read about how “the same thing that works on bar sluts works on all other women” I have to wonder. No doubt there are men out there who thought they “worked” on me too, again because I’m polite in public and have some social skills.
More:
slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2009/10/how_often_do_women_falsely_cry_rape.single.html
ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume6/j6_2_4.htm
Again, Plain Jane, consider reading first, instead of hijacking the thread.
“Read and educate yourself before spouting baseless allegations, Plain Jane.”
I did. Countless Manosphere blogs talk about false rape allegations on campus and how male students are being “suspended” (!) for “false rape”, ruining these young mens’ lives. First, if rapists are raping and all they are getting is suspending from school, I’d say they are getting off scott free! Second, I went to several websites that discuss this issue and nowhere is it a matter of, “Golly jeepers, I had consensual sex with this guy the night before and now that I’ve woken up and see him in daylight, eww, I wish I hadn’t. Better have him arrested for rape!”
And yet that is what the Manosphere is claiming female college students are doing, en masse.
“I did.”
No you didn’t. There’s no way you looked through all the research I linked to in about 30 seconds. You just keep spouting baseless generalizations.
Oh, and actually, its Susan Atkins who is the manipulative master mind behind those murders. And she married TWICE in jail, on top of all the countless love letters she got from male admirerers. And she ain’t easy on the eyes either. Must be something about sick, psychopathic women that turn (some) men on. Even now when you go to her and the other Manson Girl youtube videos there are comments like, “damn those women were hot”. And, “don’t you just love the way 60′s women looked? why can’t women look like that today?” And they were all pretty unnattractive women, average at the very best, but most of them were homely, Susan and Squeaky in particular.
Hollenhund, I have researched the subject already, months ago. The Manosphere does claim that false rape allegations are rampant on college campuses because female co-eds are having consensual sex with men they night before and waking up regretting it because they realize those men are betas or omegas the next morning. So rather than live with the reality that they slept with a beta/omega, they save face by accusing him of rape. This is a common theme on Manosphere blogs. Where’s the proof this is happening on college campuses across the nation?
There are only three potential motivations for a false rape accusation, with a possibility of overlap: a) saving face i.e. protecting social reputation b) personal regret c) mere harmful intent, which may or may not be an act of vengeance, for whatever reasons. Neither one is more dignified or justifiable than the other. Your point is…what? It’s pretty obvious that you have no reasonable argument to make by bringing up false rape allegations.
@Holle
You forgot http://www.innocenceproject.org
If PJ is kind of enough to google rape she will find tons of cases.
“Your point is…what?”
I want to know where Manospherians are getting the idea that college women who have consensual sex with male students are waking up the next morning regretting it and having them arrested for rape, but somehow they just get “suspended from school” for it.
Please see here
http://www.publicintegrity.org/accountability/education/sexual-assault-campus
and here
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2010/02/24/4360/lack-consequences-sexual-assault-0
“There is also considerable research correlating promiscuity to the personality traits of low agreeableness and low conscientiousness. Extraverted, impulsive, and sensation-seeking personalities predict:
Multiple sexual partners
Unprotected sex
Intoxicated sex
No-strings sex”
Um, is this that cut-em-a-break-for-past-mistakes thing that guys should consider when seeking comfort before committing to a woman?
Not going to happen…dont even bother screening a known promiscuous woman…
“Sam Vaknin (_Malignant Narcissism_– fascinating book) has a lot of YouTubes that briefly analyze facets of NPD. He is also completely upfront about being a narcissist, so he is a fitting study for his self-obsession; like a snake eating its own tail, to use a gross metaphor.”
You know, many only children (no siblings), tend toward introversion and self-reflection. I wonder if a large percentage of narcissists are made up of only children? Is there just a fine line between self-reflection and self-obsession? My best friend is an only child and she tends toward hoarding for herself and not sharing with others. She likes her autonomy, independence, doesn’t like to share her space, etc.
In many ways, PUAs are a textbook case for these; they develop a false self right down to the point of giving it a name (Mystery, Style, etc). Their actions and words are studied, rehearsed, practiced and utterly inauthentic. I think Ricky Raw has a great analysis of this, if you are interested, on his blog.
“Bundy was regarded as handsome and charismatic by his young female victims, traits he exploited in winning their trust. ”
POINT: They found him attractive NOT because he was a psychopathic killer, but because he was “handsome and charismatic”.
“He typically approached them in public places, feigning an injury or disability, or impersonating an authority figure, before overpowering and assaulting them at a more secluded location. ”
At that point obviously they no longer considered him attractive but rather crazy and dangerous and were fearing for their lives.
Will men not be attracted to a HB10 cereal killer BEFORE they realize she’s a serial killer?
Is there a way to know a physically attractive person is a killer or not before you know who they are?
Am I the only one who can’t bare to look at the Robert Hare quote because it’s grammatically incorrect? He should have said “If I weren’t studying psychopaths in prison, I’d do it at the stock exchange.”
@ Plain Jane
In jurisdictions in which police thoroughly investigated all rape claims, they found that many of them appeared sketchy and further investigation resulted in women recanting their rape claims 40-45% of the time: http://www.theforensicexaminer.com/archive/spring09/15/
In fact, I remember Susan having an anecdote about this girl who was suspended because her roommate claimed she was raped and the girl “assisted the rapist” by testifying that the sex had been consensual.
In my research, it appears that colleges are doing everything within their might to prevent victims of sexual assault from going to the police and hiring a lawyer. This prevents real justice from being served. Getting suspended from summer school, which you had no intention of attending anyway, is “ruining young men’s lives”?! Au contraire, they are getting off easy. College co-eds need to either carry concealed weapons to protect themselves or ignore campus policy and go straight to police and call a lawyer.
“In a June 2010 article dealing with matters at Reed College, two experts in how colleges handle sexual assaults criticized the system used at Reed, a highly secretive process based on a student Honor Code and enforced by a student Judicial Board.
Though the board’s disciplinary recommendations are reviewed and implemented by Reed College President Colin Diver, the college does not investigate allegations of sexual misconduct with a trained investigator. Instead, students act as a fact-finding committee, holding hearings that often place victims and perpetrators in the same room. Many students are unaware that an alternative, faculty committee exists. Participants are barred from discussing their cases with anyone except a designated advocate, a procedural aide and medical professionals.
Three students interviewed last year said the forced silence cut them off from friends and faculty they normally would have relied on for support after being assaulted. One reported the process was so secretive she wasn’t sure she could tell her mother about it. And all three were dissatisfied with the outcome of the hearings.
The students also told similar stories of personal and academic upheaval after reporting sexual assault at Reed, which enrolls about 1,400 students. All three said they were discouraged from calling police after reporting sexual assault to authorities and instead were routed to the Judicial Board, where they faced intense pressure to keep quiet about their cases, with related documents stamped “confidential” and constant reminders about confidentiality rules.”
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2011/04/08/3973/portland-college-students-demand-changes-sexual-assault-process
@ Jackie, Susan
Holy shit! I’m happy I don’t know about having any such close calls…
@ Plain Jane
LOL! The problem is that most women do intend such behavior to be an IOI. Women are ridiculously mysterious about their IOIs…
@ Susan
Yup. He’s definitely Dark Triad.
Jason Bourne on the other hand is a dad, not a cad.
Susan! That story about you, your mom and brothers being targetted (but thankfully missed) by the Manson Clan takes the creepy cake!
Funny, you don’t strike me as the type that grew up in California at all though. I get New England vibe from you all the way. Though before my time, I’ve always been attracted to that era in California, mid to late 60s hippie and revolutionary era. What was it like living there at that time?
INTJ,
“LOL! The problem is that most women do intend such behavior to be an IOI. Women are ridiculously mysterious about their IOIs…”
Disagree. Women with social skills do not intend polite chatter, laughing at jokes and eye contact during conversations to be indicators of sexual interest. This is all normal social behaviour.
@ Susan
To be sure, I do to some extent hold a grudge against women as a whole for the current SMP. Especially when I come to places like HUS (or better still, intjforum.com). But it’s really just letting out the steam so that I can go back and have a healthy opinion of women in real life.
@ Plain Jane
Well they might also do such things with people they aren’t interested in. But it’s quite common for a girl to actually be interested in a guy but limit any indicators of interest to the stuff you mention.
Plain Jane renwed trolling vigor plus Ted Bundy = worst HUS thread over.
Fucking iPad, *renewed, *ever
My mom on Ted Bundy “He seemed like a nice normal guy, really friendly.” She about had a heart attack when they arrested him.
@PlainJane
I pretty specifically meant women that I would talk to, act completely indifferent and borderline disrespectful toward, who would offer me their number by the end of the night and generally have sex with me by the end of the week.
And as far as college rape charges go, any time it comes down to a he-said, she-said scenario with no (or inconclusive) physical evidence, the guy SHOULD get off scott free, since the burden of proof is ALWAYS on the accuser.
Honestly, I think the names of the accused should be witheld from the public in the same way that the names of the alleged victim are. It’s ridiculous that one party gets complete protection from the court of public opinion, while the other is basically left on the proverbial cross.
One of my favorite psychopaths ever is played by Ben Kingsley in Sexy Beast:
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSVRGdHFxYc
That’s a great movie.
Re Ben Kingsley, if you haven’t seen it you might check out Suspect Zero which is about serial killers. It got shitty reviews, but I was on the edge of my seat. Pretty freaky.
@ OTC
Holy shit. I must be extremely distracted today.
I was like “hey Plain Jane is starting to remind me of that old troll, what was her name again?” “But Plain Jane obviously isn’t that troll, as she’s a regular commenter. Her name sounds familiar.”
What can I say. Brain fart.
Basically, I just epically failed at “spot the Plain Jane”…
” Disagree. Women with social skills do not intend polite chatter, laughing at jokes and eye contact during conversations to be indicators of sexual interest. This is all normal social behaviour.”
“Well they might also do such things with people they aren’t interested in. But it’s quite common for a girl to actually be interested in a guy but limit any indicators of interest to the stuff you mention.”
INTJ, hmmm dunno bout that. I for example get shy and awkward around men I’m attracted to, and even avoid them, as do other women I know. I can talk very freely and comfortably however with men I am not attracted to, causing them to assume I’m attracted to them.
Antitype, I’m of the opinion that sexual assault victims should go STRAIGHT to the police and forget these campus councils or whatever that are set up to deal with the issue. Zero tolerance means no pussy footing around. Either carry a concealed weapon at all times, and use it in such situations, or go straight to the police.
That will put an end to the “grey area”.
Susan,
That is just outright scary. How old were you when you discovered that. I was watching an interview with Seth McFarlane who created Family Guy, and he was talking about being late to the airport on 9/11 because he slept in and they wouldn’t let him board. It was one of the planes that was flown into the tower.
Not sure what I wasn’t aware of, but I had lightning strike once about 10-15 feet away, and in my stupid youth I just missed getting nailed trying to beat a train.
Damnit can’t help responding to the Plain Jane…
@ Plain Jane
You proved my point. Indicators of interest given out by girls are so ridiculously obtuse that you can’t complain about men getting them wrong.
Imagine you enter a portion of the blogosphere where women are ceaselessly lionizing ‘what it means to be feminine’. Remember Marlene Dietrich? Yeah, she really had it. What is it?
The mushy triad.
Basically you want your whole body to be one enormous padding of muscle-firmed fat, in the shape of an hourglass. You dont have a skeleton because that impedes flexibility, and having bones isn’t girly enough. Oh yeah, make sure everything you wear is always pink and ‘snuggly’. Gag reflexes are a crime in this beautiful universe. Always be empathizing with everything – including the furniture and the ocean. Take care of everyone, always. Be a mother – to everything. Yet be a sexkitten – only to him. Focus the feminine tractor beam (it comes from between the legs) onto him until he levitates and is dragged up and into the Relationship. Remember that old fictional character who was the perfect picture of femininity? Yeah, strive to embody that.
You may laugh at this, but if someone were selling you that seriously, it is what it would be like to enter this alternative universe where Cads and Psychopaths use the Dark Triad to have sex with drunk coed losers. Wait, am I trapped in a Cormac Mccarthy novel?
Doesn’t anyone else understand how boring women are? Do you not know what its like after you’ve laid them? After you’ve laid them, you get to be their father – thats it. Snuggle them when theyre bored. Its actually totally righteous, but not with the kinds of girls who are filling out the scorecards of the guys being talked about in the endless Portrait of a Cad posts:
Dear Diary, today someone threw trash out on the highway, after seeing such a careless act I was forced to ask myself: ‘Why does this guy get laid so much more than I do? Is it because of his reckless endangerment of life?’ I saw someone swerve to purposely re-run-over roadkill, and I said to myself: ‘He has to be dating at least two HB10s!!’
I guess this is too big picture, or maybe I’m just stupid: but if you are reverse engineering the Midnight Triad traits back into yourself, you are already too smart for the girls attracted to Ye Olde Sable Triad.
You don’t need to call on the powers of the Satanic Triad, in order to get close with the bookworm intellectual eccentric hipster university girls that are your natural victims. Yes, if your free time is spent reading paragraphs like this one, some splinter cell of the group described above will be your prey. Its like, in order to conquer a guy’s fears, he believes he has to morph into something awesome, something incredible. And because the human imagination is unconscious, it only births monstrosities: a cross between Brad Pitt, James Bond, a CIA assassin, Ricky Martin, Count Chocula and Rainman. Yeah, thats it. Just become that hideous thing and the girl in the library will be down. Unlikely.
I don’t even know what I’m ranting about anymore, but god it feels goooood. Take my relationship advice – I’ve been single for a good long while!
Honestly though, in my make-believe world I just was in the grocery store, where I bumped into a manosphere blogger. He stepped on my foot and I said: “please stop stepping on my foot” and he said “Holy shit, you are dominant.” Yes, I said, if by ‘dominant’ you mean I AM HUMAN.
Oh yeah, and to the lady who warned girls against brooding loners: what do you know about brooding loners? I’ve been one, so ITS ON GIRL.
I always give my girl-friends this advice: If a brooding loner doesn’t end up killing you, he will almost certainly make you stronger. Allow me to warn all my male readers right now, as a countermeasure: see the quiet girl next to you, the one with the shy demeanor, who looks like she might be too nervous to approach a stranger? The one who is incredibly cute in your mind but isnt beautiful enough to model (except in your mind?) . RUN from that girl, boys. Because there’s a fraction of a chance that she just might be a psychopath. She’s almost certainly a narcissist. If she’s a virgo on top of all that – best not to say.
Fuck these enlightened blogs – sometimes a man just wants blind drunk blackout sex with faceless sorority swine! Lets do this right… don the cape, stand inside the pentagram, call upon the triad. Thank you, the manosphere.
@INTJ
I think we are giving PJ a chance to try and be less stupid because she is using her name for a change (of course maybe her personalities ran out of names), but she is probably not going to stick around long with her “I know better than you” attitude. We tried…*le sigh*
I was watching an interview with Seth McFarlane who created Family Guy, and he was talking about being late to the airport on 9/11 because he slept in and they wouldn’t let him board. It was one of the planes that was flown into the tower.
One of my college teachers was in one of the 9/11 planes because he missed his original one out of oversleeping too. Had you heard the tale “An appointment in Samarra”?
“Death speaks: There is a merchant in Baghdad who sent his servant to buy provisions from the market and in a little while the servant came back, white and trembling, and said, Master, just now when I was in the market-place I was jostled by a woman in the crowd and when I turned I saw it was Death that jostled me.
She looked at me and made a threatening gesture; now, lend me your horse, and I will ride away from this city to avoid my fate. I will go to Samarra and there Death will not find me.
The merchant lent him his horse, and the servant mounted it, and he dug his spurs in its flanks and as fast as the horse could gallop he went. Then the merchant went down to the market-place and he saw me standing in the crowd and he came to me and said, Why did you make a threatening gesture to my servant when you saw him this morning?
That was not a threatening gesture, I said, it was only a start of surprise. I was astonished to see him in Baghdad, for I had an appointment with him tonight in Samarra.”
Life is a bitch and then….you know the rest.
“Damnit can’t help responding to the Plain Jane…”
Yeah, I have that effect on Desi guys
“Imagine you enter a portion of the blogosphere where women are ceaselessly lionizing ‘what it means to be feminine’. Remember Marlene Dietrich? Yeah, she really had it. What is it?
The mushy triad. ”
Dietrich? SRSLY? She was a lesbian who introduced the androgynous mystique to Hollywood.
“Fuck these enlightened blogs – sometimes a man just wants blind drunk blackout sex with faceless sorority swine!”
Impossible, Puppy! If he’s blind drunk blackout then he can’t get it up in the first place. And if she’s blind drunk blackout, she can’t consent, hence its rape.
Sober is the only way, mechanically functional and consensual sexual intercourse can happen.
I almost wonder if blog posts like this one are not, on some level, encouraging psychopathic crimes. How many crimes are committed each year where the actual motivation was ‘to be the badboy women love?’ How many of us men reading this are now considering doing something illegal just to prove to ourselves ‘I still got it’?
Seriously there are certain stages in male development at which our brains become fogged, and I can tell you – whatever suave caveats are applied to this piece – to me it shines like a neon light: “Hurting others = getting laid.” I can’t even read the discouragement that I know exists somewhere in this text, because my brain is fogged by desire, since dr. Walsh’s avatar pic and the knowledge she is reading this is inadvertantly turning me on. You want the truth about male sexuality – well, thats mine. The shining blue eyes of your avatar can turn your own posts to nonsense. So keep it simple.
To anyone reading this: this blog entry is NOT an advocation of satanism, or Charles Manson, even though people on here are talking about this, and it all melts together in your brain after a while and seems like its some vague promotion of psychopathy. Stay the course.
@samael
“My mom on Ted Bundy “He seemed like a nice normal guy, really friendly”
There are studies in which people were presented with faces of real people, both innocent and criminals, and were presented with a question “is this guy a criminal?”. People usually have non-random chance of spotting a criminal (disturbing, isn’t it), that is, they were not always right, but they had success ratio larger that predicted if they would just pick photos at random.
There was one, huge exception.
Woman had absolutely no success in spotting rapists. They had success ratio LOWER than predicted by a chance.
http://shell.newpaltz.edu/jsec/articles/volume5/issue1/VallaVol5Iss1.pdf
The only significant effect involved females’ rape likelihood ratings. Comparing females’ rape ratings for rapists to those given to the other three criminal categories revealed that rapists were rated significantly less likely than other criminal types to have committed rape (p = .04).
Of all photo categories, including non-criminals, rapists were rated as least likely to commit a crime, but not significantly so.
Interestingly, when analyzed separately for each sex, this particular difficulty in identifying rapists remained for females, but not males.
My score is 80%. You can check yourself here:
http://reverent.org/criminal_or_not/
And, BTW, I have just learned very simply trick, which works in Polish for 90% of people. I wonder whether it would work also in English. Please ask your friends/partner “Please repeat silk silk silk”. “Now tell me what does a cow drink?”
Without forcing women culturally to single-mindedly pursue lifelong commitment from the first days of puberty this stuff is only going to get worse. The reason girls go for psychopaths is because they’ve made romance into a game and psychopaths and cads provide the most drama, and therefore, the most fun. As long as it’s allowed to go on it will get worse.
My life improved 1000 times when I cut my psychopath of a brother out of it for good like 12 years ago, my husband has never meet him and with luck never will. Every single member of the family that has stayed in contact is always in trouble because of him and getting him out of trouble. He plays the “Please help me I will do better next time it was someone’s else’s fault” card so well…and he had been doing that since he was 4. Is amazing if you don’t have to deal with it that is.
Precisely. It’s the same for an employee of mine with a psycho brother.
How many near misses do each of us have that we are never even aware of?
That’s why my wife’s first Christmas present after we were married came in 9mm. A few years later, she cracked me up when she came home one night and said that on the way home a man had seen her, tried to cut her off, and then stopped at a red light in front of her, got out of the car and started to approach her. She was just trying to decide whether to run over him with her Suburban or shoot him with her laser-sighted Glock when he abruptly turned around, got back in his car, and drove off. My theory is that he noticed the little NRA shield on the front bumper.
A similar approach is helpful for dealing with potentially problematic boyfriends and little children walking to school. “That red dot on your chest means my Daddy is watching.”
@ Ana
I’ve only briefly owned cats as pets (long story), but I’ve seen the same thing looking at tigers in the zoo. It feels like you’re being appraised in an alien way.
Pretty morbid account and not the best way I’d like to come back and post here. NAPUAALT, YMMV etc.
@ Antitype
Yes I know what you’re talking about. Taking a break from anything pickup related (including pua websites) and treating all women like your sister/mum helps. Try reverse engineering ThePrivateman’s advice and look at finding the good in every woman you meet. You won’t lose your outcome independance so don’t stress about regressing to chump mode.
Also women that are really worth forming a pairbond with who are right for you in particular are rare so don’t be discouraged.
“And if she’s blind drunk blackout, she can’t consent, hence its rape.”
All casual sex, especially hooker up sex, is rape. Anyone here feel good about wifing up willing repeated mal-parented rapees?
@Höllenhund
Eurgh, I read a story about Beria thinking it was disturbing fiction, then I got to the end and saw it wasn’t and felt unclean.
@OffTheCuff
“Plain Jane renwed trolling vigor plus Ted Bundy = worst HUS thread over.”
ROFL
@VD
TEN THUMBS UP
Look, Plain Jane, I linked to the stats proving that false rape accusations are not uncommon. In my judgement, such accusations are inexcusable and should always be prosecuted, no matter what the motive is and no matter how insignificant the consequences for the accused appear to be. Period. The fact that the feminists and their ilk who control the media narrative about this issue always try to stifle open debate about it and try to paint it as isignificant is all I need to know about this issue. I won’t discuss this issue any further because it has nothing to do with either psychopathy or the alleged motivations of the Manosphere.
A thing that always bothers me about this kind of article is that I have a hard time believing that psychopathy is an on/off trait. Surely there are some men who are somewhat psychopathic or sociopathic, but not completely. I know that my level of empathy varies a lot depending on the situation and the type of person I might empathise with it.
The Daniel Craig James Bond makes an interesting remark in Quantum of Solace: “I don’t have any friends”. M also remarks, I think in Casino Royale, “I would tell you to remain emotionally detached, but that isn’t your problem, is it Bond?”, with the implication that he has a more serious problem. In short, the Craig Bond is pretty much a psychopath.
People usually have non-random chance of spotting a criminal (disturbing, isn’t it), that is, they were not always right, but they had success ratio larger that predicted if they would just pick photos at random.
Probably evo-bio at work. Speculating of course it was important on ancient past to find out who was to be trusted fast before they smack you in the head with a stone axe…
Woman had absolutely no success in spotting rapists. They had success ratio LOWER than predicted by a chance.
More speculation the rapists that couldn’t convince their victims to come with them to a secluded placed because they were “harmless” didn’t reproduce as much thus the ones we have around now are the ones that look the less likely to rape to the female brain.
I was also thinking that maybe this is the reason why the hottest females, to a point, seem to go for the worst kind of man. Their ancestors being prettier could get away with it and still reproduce (find a lesser man that will care for the offspring in exchange for her beauty, get forgiven by a husband that finds out she stepped out, or he could just turn a blind eye, simply have the men on her lives being willing to share her and shower her with the support she needs) than the less pretty counterparts they probably went for the sure thing and made sure to sell loyalty in order to secure the resources they needed for child-rearing, YMMV.
I’ve only briefly owned cats as pets (long story), but I’ve seen the same thing looking at tigers in the zoo. It feels like you’re being appraised in an alien way.
Maybe is a pet compatibility thing I’m personally terrified of gods I love cats and never saw them looking at me in an alien way but if a dog is close to me my brain screams “He is going to eat you” even a tiny chihuaha triggers the fear, is embarrassing as hell.
Having no friends and being emotionally detached simply comes with the territory when one is, you know, a secret agent, I’m sure.
“feminists and their ilk who control the media narrative about this issue always try to stifle open debate about it and try to paint it as insignificant”
Uncanny! They also control the other closely related narrative: hooking up (de facto rape) along with their promotional blessing to engage in it. Open debate is stifled (shamed) and they desperately try to paint it as insignificant (so men later will brush it off as part of “growing up”).
Like Napoleon and Hitler marching into Russia, they are refusing to retreat from these blatantly failing and humiliating campaigns that only serve to undermine all prior gains.
Waist deep in the Big Muddy
And the big fool says to push on.
- from a song by Pete Seeger
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Surely there are some men who are somewhat psychopathic or sociopathic, but not completely. I know that my level of empathy varies a lot depending on the situation and the type of person I might empathise with it.
That probably makes you and introvert not a psychopath there are other factors at work to do a sort of full diagnosis so I’m sure you need more than being selective about who you bond with to use the label on you and professionals probably agree.
Since we are talking about this. I wanted to mention that I had tried to study this type of behaviour before both as a one of the many things I’m curious about and to create better villains for my stories. Sadly I can’t stomach many of the findings so I haven’t read a lot about it lately but I did managed to come with a small pet theory while I was perusing in it Let’s call it “Evilness” I know is not a scientific name but it covers a lot of behaviors like psycho and sociopathy and dark triads and I’m sure it evokes a strong response on people.
Some people are not fully human, in the sense that all the things the superior brain does that makes us try to be decent to each other and helped create civilization (empathy, compassion, sense of justice…) are just not there, are there but can’t connect/command the reptilian brain or are so thin that the connection is meaningless, intermittent or so fragile that some events might severe them forever, like a traumatic childhood. Hence the animal like behaviour similar to predators both the seductive ones like snakes and the butchers like bear (Bundy thinking of himself as a bear for example) and of course cannibalism.
The link with sex comes from the fact that sex is as primitive as hunger and lies on the reptilian brain so anyone with leaning to having their reptile brains being more in charge than the superior one would naturally experience predator and animal like cravings and this won’t be nice eating grass, drinking water from a fountain but you know getting a powerful rewarding and pleasurable sexual response from hunting a fellow human being in the most savage possible way.
If you want to look at a difference, the garden variety rapists usually don’t kill the victim and if he is a soft rapist (meaning that he places some drug on her drink and/or wait for her to be pass out) he is not doing it out of violence probably because this is the type that is using rape as a mating strategy subconsciously, so is a different type of criminal (Note: before the boys start protesting I don’t think this is a common behaviour and I do think 99% of men crave a horny hottie really into them sexually and not for pass out/drugged woman that won’t do anything but maybe vomit during the act)
Again all this is crap I think sometimes just wanted to share, YMMV.
@Plain Jane
Two things:
First, I know personally of three cases of women having drunken sex and then claiming rape the next day, all false. I also have heard stories second hand on numerous occasions. It happens, there’s no question. Furthermore, at some schools, e.g. Duke, a rape investigation can be triggered by a third party. For example, Susan has drunken sex with Tom. Susan’s roommate Jenny is a Women’s Studies major and thinks Tom is a douche. She reports Tom to the school, claiming that Jenny came home in the morning distraught and clearly still intoxicated. Tom is now accused of sexual assault, and must defend himself before the DC.
The point is that psychopathy and charisma are linked. In Bundy’s case, he was in a serious relationship with a woman who kept calling the police to say she believed he was the killer, and at the same time stayed in a relationship with him and even discussed marriage.
Puppy = also Plain Jane, and is now debating with herself.
Yes, that’s one of the cases I referred to. Actually, what she did was warn the guy that the roommate was going to take revenge by claiming rape. She was suspended for “violating the confidence of another student,” which was a breach of the honor code. Meanwhile, he was disciplined. No one considered the actually testimony of the girl who revealed the sham.
I know some schools forbid an accused male to have legal representation when meeting with the Disciplinary Committee.
Haha! At least she deserves credit for posting under her real identity. That is what I’ve asked of her, and so far she has complied. We will see.
Yeah, that’s what they always say about serial killers. Either that, or “He kept to himself, but seemed like a nice guy.”
Agree, and the Obama administration has weakened that be changing the standard from “reasonable doubt” to “51%.”
” psychopathy and charisma are linked”
“Hey Reginald, thats who will be the mother of your children”?
“Uh yeah, why?”
“Well, she is a known serial psychopathy penis pouncer and charisma cock caterer. Why permit her this opportunity?”
Why indeed.
@Mike C
I think my mom read Helter Skelter when it came out in paperback and freaked out at that part. I remember reading it, and it mentioned the time, which corresponded to our being at that intersection on that night. I would have been about 18 or 19 then.
It really is crazy – what if we could see a movie of all our near misses? The almost car accidents, the times someone would have mugged you but you stepped into the light, etc.
And of course, the opposite is also true. I’m sure there were people on those flights on 9/11 who were happy to get a seat at the last minute.
Bond’s sociopathy seems to be a new development, in the Daniel Craig movies. It is however inconsistent with his portrayal as a lover in the latter films.
There is certainly a difference in tone between, say, the Roger Moore Bond, and the Daniel Craig Bond.
There is certainly a difference in tone between, say, the Roger Moore Bond, and the Daniel Craig Bond.
Roger Moore is the Bond I think about when I heard the famous last name, I know is an unpopular opinion but he was actually quite sensible. Blond Bond is not of my liking at all. I saw Casino Royale and I’m sitting out the whole franchise waiting for a new actor. Daniel Craig does looks like a psycho he is not the Bond I like, YMMV.
I’m personally waiting for Robbie Williams to grow old enough to play Bond in this video he mades a great impersonation IMO:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ5uIkJDb6o
Pentagram? Hmmm, this must be a member of Roosh’s Evil Patriarchy blog network.
I believe most, if not all, of the male Game bloggers belong, though some don’t have the cajones to display the badge.
@Puppy
They’re green.
Anacaona
Not being a woman, I cannot really say, but Daniel Craig seems less handsome and striking than previous Bonds.
However I believe that Ian Fleming had in mind a Bond more like Daniel Craig than Roger Moore. There is a streak of sadism in the books.
@szopen
I got only a 50% on that test.
Apparently, it’s easier to detect cheaters (from Barking Up the Wrong Tree):
Not being a woman, I cannot really say, but Daniel Craig seems less handsome and striking than previous Bonds.
You can’t say that enough. He is actually scary looking to me, not charming at all. But then according to many he is better because he is most realistic…bah if I wanted realism there are plenty of other secret agents in fiction I want my never break a sweat charming almost supernaturally escaping peril James-shakenandnotstirred-Bond. But then I might be just getting old…kid’s get off my lawn.
PS
I know that Moore never said that phrase but he should had! :p
If true, that’s hilarious.
Anacaona, Daniel Craig looks like a ferret to me.
The Sean Connery Bond was pretty cold. There were complaints about the cold way he treated women in the first films, including one scene in which he uses a woman as a shield against an attacker. I always thought that was reasonable, since she had deliberately led him into danger.
Sean Connery was the sexiest Bond ever. He’s still sexy:
I also have a soft spot for Timothy Dalton as Heathcliff:
Talk about a Brooding Loner!
“Rick Von Slonecker is tall, rich, good-looking, stupid, dishonest, conceited, a bully, liar, drunk and thief, an egomaniac, and probably psychotic. In short, highly attractive to women.”
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Metropolitan_(film)
@ szopen
I didn’t have any trouble saying milk afterwards. Though repeatedly saying silk was a bit difficult.
I didn’t have any trouble saying milk afterwards. Though repeatedly saying silk was a bit difficult.
Is a trick question Cows drink water…I have no idea what the OP wanted to prove with it to be honest.
In 1989, I passed a woman hitchhiking in the rain on I-4 in Central Florida. I remember feeling sorry for her until I pulled closer and saw that she had a superficial resemblance to a girl who had broken up with me about eight years earlier.
“To hell with the bitch,” I thought. “I hope she gets soaked.”
It was Aileen Wuornos.
@ Susan
It always feels like there’s something qualitatively different about Chateau Heartiste compared to other Game blogs though. I hate to read other Game blogs, but I can actually read CH and enjoy it to some extent.
@ Susan
OMG that’s even crazier.
Hm, I got 70%. I missed a few dealers. Strange I gots a blind spot for them…
I personally like the Daniel Craig interpretation of Bond. I think that there has to be an air of real physical menace and obsession around the character or he can deteriorate into the high camp of a one-dimensional, violent dandy with absurd gadgets and a posh lifestyle.
LTR scenarios just don’t work out well for Bond when he tries them. Sleeping with women is frequently part of his job description. The guy is an operator, an obligate carnivore, who is used to take out extremely dangerous bad guys—we don’t want him to be domesticated, do we?
There has been an interesting finding about aggression: one type, “territorial aggression”, is linked to the RAGE circuit in the emotional system, is generally unpleasant to experience, and is associated with dominance hierarchies and “alpha” type social behaviors or challenges. It’s an intra-species type of aggression.
The second type, “predatory aggression”, is linked to the SEEKING circuit (which is also associated with dopamine-mediated learning and insight generation), is pleasant to experience, and is associated with the professional stalking and killing prey of another species (the so-called “quiet bite”). So cats and dogs do enjoy chasing and killing smaller animals; they aren’t angry, they just enjoy doing it, it’s a nice part of their jobs.
If you have a person who views himself as a member of a different species from other people, he can see those individuals as prey items and any associated aggression may be “predatory” in nature—low physiological alarm, no emotional trauma, just a generally satisfying hunting experience. I had an opportunity to get into this material a bit more when I was in the military and working with some DoD-related contractors since then (there is great interest in this topic, as you can imagine), and have concluded that there is probably a very interesting area of research work out there that would look at Fisher’s “Explorers”, sociopaths and borderlines, the SEEKING system, sensation-seekers, and humans who are at least potentially capable of showing tr predatory aggression towards other human beings.
Sometimes you would want people like this in your human capital arsenal—a real-life Bond would probably be a really, really high-level paramilitary operations officer and used for sniper missions and advance force operations to scout targets that would later be hit by elite military guys. You’d want him to consider himself a kind of big-game hunter and to get a certain dopamine-jolt out of doing that work.
Just to give a quick plug for a buddy: my good friend Marcus Wynne writes some excellent, very-technically-accurate novels that explore alpha masculinity in “shadow warrior” contexts and he includes depictions of various dark sides, including exaggerated sexual appetites, female rape fantasies and hypergamy, etc.
Once upon a time in LA there was a man named Terry Melchter. Terry Melcher was a folk musician who … well, it’s hard to explain Terry Melcher.
He was the only child of Doris Day, born when she was 18—“before she was a virgin,” in Oscar Levant’s mordant phrase. As such he had some money to play with, which he used to set himself up as a (successful) music producer—he was responsible for The Byrds’ biggest hits—and also to buy a house high up Benedict Canyon where he hosted a kind of drug-fueled salon for the under-25 artistic set in L. A. That house—10050 Cielo Drive—three years later became, not coincidentally, one of the two principle scenes of the Manson murders.
One day Dennis Wilson, the Beach Boys drummer, was driving back from Malibu to his place in Pacific Palisades. He saw two young, pretty hippie chicks hitchhiking and he picked them up and drove them into LA. A week later, making the same drive, he saw the same two chicks hitchhiking again, and he picked them up again. But this time he took them home.
He then went to the studio in LA where he recorded with the band for hours. When he returned home at 3 am, he found all the lights in his house ablaze and a large gathering of people in his living room. Charles Manson came outside and greeted him in the driveway.
Dennis was enthralled by them and for about six months he allowed Manson and “the family” to live in his house. Manson was trying to make it as a musician and Wilson introduced Charlie to Terry Melcher, who said he liked his music and he would produce a record.
Eventually, Dennis and Terry figured out that Charlie was nuts. Dennis’ solution was … simply to move out of his own house and leave Manson there. Melcher declined to pursue a record deal for Charlie and stopped seeing him or talking to him.
The Benedict Canyon address, which Charlie and the family had visited many times, was chosen in part to exact revenge on Melcher. Except that by the night of the murders, Terry no longer lived there. He and his live-in girlfriend (Candace Bergen) had moved to Malibu and Terry had rented the house to Roman Polanski and Sharon Tate.
Small world, eh?
BB – “Sometimes you would want people like this in your human capital arsenal—a real-life Bond would probably be a really, really high-level paramilitary operations officer and used for sniper missions and advance force operations to scout targets that would later be hit by elite military guys. You’d want him to consider himself a kind of big-game hunter and to get a certain dopamine-jolt out of doing that work”
Absolutely! And in fact, I know some hunter type guys that get exactly that kind of dopamine rush from taking down a deer. These are the guys I tend to keep in my circle in case stuff ever does get bad, because I’m pretty sure at least of few of them would have no issue with using those guns on other people if it came to it, and I suspect one or two might actually like it to some extent. Scary to be sure, but I would MUCH rather have them with me than against me…
@Mule
Wow, that is wild. Do we all have six degrees of separation from a serial killer?
@INTJ
Roissy is clever and funny. I find myself laughing even when I hate what he’s saying. His blog is enjoyable.
@John G
I missed the dealers too. I have met some kids who I later learned were dealing. They’re everywhere.
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