The Least Expensive Makeover You’ll Ever Find

@Richard

“I don’t think feistiness needs to be a phony kind of conflict. That sounds more like brattiness or entitlement. I’m talking about the natural chemistry in some couples where there is some banter, some push pull and ultimately, female surrender. The dynamic is usually one where a male is “taming” a smart, independent woman. Think Hepburn and Tracy. Or Kate and Pettruchio.”

Petruchio. Hell, I was stuck on Pinnochio. Which reminded me of a conversation I had with a marriage counselor. I used to be in the insurance business and we insured what seemed like a third of the social workers–or at maybe there are lot more of them than I figured–in the greater metro area. He was telling me of a case which he didn’t think was going to end well.
A woman would tell hubby, if they were first in line at a red light, “It’s green” before he could get his foot on the gas pedal. Either she thought the best thing in life is to mash the gas, leap into the intersection and be tee-boned by a runaway redimix truck, or she was giving him a hard time when he looked both ways just because she liked to give him a hard time.
He couldn’t get her to stop, no matter how much it pissed him off. She could even do it from the back seat, which he figured was because she could see the walk/don’t walk signs change. Whether they were exactly timed with the traffic lights he wasn’t sure.
So she starts telling him about the Shrew thing. And about what’s his name who said don’t give me a hard time or we’re turning around. And she did and he did.
He’s still not getting it, being under the impression he’d married a member of H. Sap, a rational adult.
Turns out, in counseling, she was trying to get him to push back. BY TURNING AROUND, at least. If he couldn’t yell any louder or swear any worse or…at least he could TURN AROUND like Pinnochio did. Show he was a man.
He was not mollified. In fact, he blew his top.
Eff this.
As to “taming”, if you have to do it more than once, or more than annually, it’s scripted.
Unless it’s the quarterly macho check, aka crap test.

This is the real kicker for a woman whose guy doesn’t like her au naturel.

Well, this is the unfortunately all too common type of men, those who can’t tell a woman from a donkey, the kind that don’t notice anything when their women come back from a hair dressing session.

@DamienV: The biggest community of recent immigrants I saw there were the Haïtians. Fantastic community. They also had their own FM radio in créole.

Me: Not surprising; it is very common among immigrant communities, to create these basic institutions that provide basic community support, ie., radio stations, as you mentioned, and churches as well, such as non-denominational churches or traditional ones they are reinvigorating.

In communities where there are lots of immigrants, it would not be unusual, for example, to attend services that might be bi-lingual or even tri-lingual (ie., English, Creole and Spanish).

It is interesting, you didn’t notice many people of Latin background when you lived there back then. I wonder whether things are changing.

“(Cystic Fibrosis, which I am a carrier of).”

That’s one of the world’s most annoying conditions to have.

One of my wife’s friend’s children has that. Took *forever* to get it diagnosed, so she just seemed to be crazy for a while as she kept telling the doctors that something was always wrong with her child.

@pvw

Live near the Rockies, yes. Not so many latinos here but I’m only here temporarily.

Impugn her character? Jeez. I just said she’s a popular social-media queen, not a horrible person. I have enough young people on my friend list, which are mostly musical contact to know it happens. The world is an extrovert’s paradise – duh.

Can you even understand what it’s like to not be very popular or extroverted?

That said, I do have a negative first-impression of people who do that. Yes, I judge, too bad. People who “friend collect” to that degree come off as more interested in building a fan base than friendships or even acquaintances, and invariably never say a word to you. I detest one-way relationships.

Lokland, the thing that really helped me was when my husband let me know he still found me attractive and did not think I was a “failure” for losing the babies. He made me feel secure and loved. He also told me I still had lots of time, and that he wasn’t worried about it.

OffTheCuff, yeah she is definitely ENF*, so she makes friends easily. But being an introvert has its perks, too. We don’t have to spend a ton on presents for lots and lots of people, for example.

Hope – “We don’t have to spend a ton on presents for lots and lots of people, for example.”

HA! Not so! People insist in buying me presents every damn Christmas, which of course means I’m obliged to return the favor. (which annoys me to no end!) Thankfully my wife loves the whole gift giving/receiving thing, so she handles most of it for me. I just have to get her something cool, and I can handle one solo gift. (although it would be a lie to say trying to figure out what to get her doesn’t cause me some anxiety)

@ Susan

It’s ridiculous to judge someone for having a thousand Facebook friends. Current 20-somethings got on fb in high school, went to college, and are now working and meeting new people. It’s a typical number. Also, no one would describe this loose network as genuine “friends.” People friend one another on fb after meeting once. I’m not defending the effect of fb on relationships, I think it’s pretty much all downside, but I don’t think it’s fair to impugn the character of young people who use it. (Which is 99% of the population, duh.)

I started culling my friendlist on FB after it reached the hundreds. I’ve got it down to double digits now.

Lokland, my condolences for your loss.

Re: auras

One time I went to one of those NYC psychics for funsies, and she read my aura. I asked her when I would get a boyfriend, and she
said, “within 3 months.”

3 years and 10 months later…

FWIW I was in the anti-make-up camp. I thought at least one or two other guys were with me…

As an aside, there is a marker of mourning in China that immediately lets others know when a family member has passed away. The mourner wears a piece of black fabric armband, often for months. It tells others to be more sensitive, that the person is grieving. I believe this was also done in Europe.

There are also rituals like putting up a photo of the deceased, and family and friends would place flowers, incense and candles around the photo / memorial. They might also burn money and food made out of white paper for the dead, because the traditional Chinese belief is that the dead went to another world and still need things.

Unfortunately there aren’t very many good grieving rituals surrounding miscarriages. Even for stillbirth it is different from the death of a baby who died after a few weeks. Because it happens in the woman’s body, it seems more taboo to publically talk about it.

How can anyone call themselves introverted if they have 620 FB friends? I mean, sure, you don’t have to actually see those friends face to face, but it still takes effort to remain in contact with them and foster a friendship.

I think a lot of people are reading into the facebook friends thing a little too much… I have over 1,300 friends, and I’m hardly a social media addict. Rarely post anything unless it’s funny shit I read or observations about sports.

People meet me and add me, and I usually just accept by default. It’s not like I make great effort to communicate with all of them, or read or care about what they post.

Hope,

I know this is way off-topic, but I was hoping to get your opinion on something that I hope you have knowledge of. What is the cultural Chinese view towards gold ownership, particularly as a permanent store of family wealth.

I am reading some stuff that seems to indicate that the Chinese government may actually advocate for this amongst the population. Over the past 7 years, you had both a massive bubble in Chinese stocks (2005-2007), and a bubble in property as Chinese felt like buying real estate was a better way of preserving wealth then a bank account paying nothing. Much of the global oil price increase since 1998 was driven by an increase in Chinese demand. So my thought/speculation is that a billion Chinese buying a lot of gold could send gold prices into the stratosphere over say the next 3-10 years, but I am just not sure of their cultural proclivity towards gold ownership. I know Indians are big into gold and much of the seasonality of gold price spikes can be explained by the Indian wedding season. Anyhow, any information you can provide about Chinese attitudes toward gold ownership or what might be happening there now would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

People meet me and add me, and I usually just accept by default. It’s not like I make great effort to communicate with all of them, or read or care about what they post.

Yeah, pretty much this. Ted, our generation isn’t constantly busy reinforcing and fostering ties with people we know/met at one point. I’d wager that our actual social circles are just as small as yours are, ours are just more visible.

Hope, I know, I just thought it was a funny story.

… you haggled her lower on the price, didn’t you ?

Hahaha, I can assure you I did not, though after the first three months I did consider demanding a refund ($5). XD

Hansolo, your girl was cute and had a very down home approachable friendly look to her.

SayWhaat,

I once had a psychic tell me that my love life is cursed. She even offered to remove the curse for $40! (I awkwardly declined. )

Rebound,

“… Younger men generally don’t prefer makeup because the women they are dealing with don’t need it.”

@Lokland

“Lokland, the thing that really helped me was when my husband let me know he still found me attractive and did not think I was a “failure” for losing the babies. He made me feel secure and loved.”

Thanks this assures me I’m on the right track.

My Grandfather, god bless his paranoid soul, expected the end of the world when oil ran out and invested money in gold and silver. We didn’t realize how much until he passed away.

I’ve kept all mine out of sentimental value. I keep an ounce in my office just to have his presence around.

Lokland,

First, sorry for your loss.

Second, I don’t have a crystal ball but my informed professional opinion would be to continue to hold on to it unless it makes up an enormous percentage of your personal wealth in which case some prudent diversification is warranted. I’ve thought about this just about every day since the 2008 crisis, and to me the inescapable endgame to the amount of nominal debt obligations is the debasement of currency through money creation and monetizing the debt. If Bastiat is around, I’d love to know if he has essentially formed the same conclusion. I always find myself rereading Bernanke’s 2002 speech about the printing press to remind myself what I think he really believes and intends to do. In the past 100+ years upcycles in gold ended when it traded at a 2 to 1 and 1 to 1 ratio to the Dow. I believe there will be a third repeat of that. Presently, there are numerous positive drivers for a higher gold price, and I was just curious if I could add massive Chinese buying to that list which is why I asked Hope the question.

Hope, gold really isn’t driven by official inflation rates. That is a mistaken belief. We had inflation in the 1980s and 1990s and gold dropped from $850 down to $250. The best explanatory variable is something called real interest rates and gold tends to do well when real interest rates are negative. Real interest rates are essentially the interest you can earn on a Treasury minus the inflation rate.

I’ll make this point while I am discussing this. Financial asset prices are driven by a number of things, and it is easy to find spurious correlations. One study found an amazingly high correlation between the S&P 500 and the price of butter in Malaysia. Obviously, this is nonsense. Point being, any sort of quantitative/statistical analysis should also be accompanied by some common sense, and critical thinking before unquestioningly accepting the quant analysis at face value

Often “honey I like you better without makeup” is code for “you are really shitty at applying makeup and look like a rosy-cheeked clown but I don’t want to hurt your feelings and don’t know enough about makeup to know that you could just go to a cosmetics counter and learn to apply it properly instead of wearing the shit your mom gave you and winging it.”

If I had a daughter, I’d take her to learn to do her makeup proper. I’ve seen way too many chicks who have awful makeup and have no idea. It doesn’t even have to do with how much is applied, it’s just terrible color choices and application.

Usually these are the girls who pride themselves on not being fake bar slut types lol so they only do their makeup once in a while, thus their sucktitude at it.

@Mike C

“First, sorry for your loss.”

Almost a decade ago.
Second, is this some kind of American thing. To apologize for a loss that you can’t be sure of when it occurred?

Thanks for the thought.

Semi-related, while we’re on the topic of China — Chinese girls with and without makeup:

http://www.chinasmack.com/2012/pictures/chinese-girls-before-and-after-makeup.html

Mike C, I think gold prices are more about fear than inflation. People are often paranoid, superstitious and emotional, especially when it comes to money. When fear was low and confidence in the US economy was high, people didn’t care for gold. I think China had been going through an economic boom, which is why fewer people had been buying gold. If China slows down significantly or goes into a bad spot, gold will probably fly through the roof.

@Mike C

Ahh okay, thank you, much appreciated.

@ Susan

My son the introvert has just as many fb friends. I really don’t think you’re up to speed on the fb scene. Everyone friends everyone they meet.

Not quite everyone.

@Mike C

“and to me the inescapable endgame to the amount of nominal debt obligations is the debasement of currency through money creation and monetizing the debt. ”

A flock of geese just flew overhead.

But I think I understood this bit.

In normal speak does this translate roughly to when it costs more to make your money than its worth the shit will be hitting the fan. Canada’s dropping the penny for that reason sometime soon and I know that is a very bad thing.

Here are some inflation rates for what happened during WWI:

1916-1920.

8%
17%
18%
15%
16%

Meaning that if you had $1 in 1915, it was worth about 45 cents by 1920.

Mass inflation is a normal part of the economy, in the sense that it happens often enough that it’s annoying and you do get half your savings destroyed.

The same thing happened in the 1970′s.

Emily

“I think that strategy will only work for the very hottest women. One trait that I notice in many “beta females” is a flat-out refusal to play around with their appearance (ie. makeup, nice clothes etc.) Many of them eventually end up pairing up, but I think it’s DESPITE (rather than because of) the lack of effort they put into their appearance.”

I agree 100%, I’m pro-makeup for myself . Female betas aren’t noticed sometimes because they put hardly any effort into standing out. And usually when beta women get into a relationship and say their individual bf prefers their natural look, it is years after being single and getting no interest or approaches from men. When beta girls do online dating, they could be responded to because they put up pictures where they put on a nice shirt and a little gloss, as opposed to sweats and a t-shirt.

No idea what my number rating is, but I doubt I’m hot enough to walk around without makeup and baggy clothes. I also never feel comfortable without makeup (I’ve been wearing everyday since I was like 14, so it takes the same time as brushing my teeth as a part of my morning ritual). Plus, if I’m in sweatpants and glasses it probably comes off as “lesbian lacrosse player” since I’m 6′. :-/

3 or 4 times a guy strikes up a convo a week or shows interest, and I’m totally fine with that number for now. I wear makeup and skirts basically everyday because that’s how I feel comfortable. Not a lot of heavy makeup, but like, enough makeup (mascara, eyeliner and lipstick, occasionally eyeshadow and blush but not too often).

I think it’s about beta women striking a balance and knowing your target audience. Beta women hear “put in effort” and sometimes they assume expensive makeup and a tiara. Not at all.

Lokland,

Best of luck. It sounds like you’ve got things well in hand.

Hope,

That before/after makeup has scarred my brain. Prepare. Sooner or later, I *will* get you back for that.

“I had one tell me that I was going to have two daughters and cheat on my husband 3 times…I knew he was a fake with the last part. ”

This one’s right in the wheelhouse… but I’m too nice to even jokingly impugn the character of a woman I don’t know. Consider yourself lucky.

I tend to find some of the items in the pink circle to be outright disqualifiers.

On the big sunglasses trend, had read something that the roots of that could be traced to Elton John’s dress style. Perhaps yet another gay trend that women adopted? I think they look ridiculous and stupid, and it makes me think they idolize the Kim Kardashians and Lohans and Paris Hiltons.

Blond hair that is noticibly dyed is a turnoff. And for highlighting in hair, if it is subtle, I have no problems. However, when I see obvious dyed highlights (dark hair with blond streaks or other colors), it immediately makes me think she’s promiscuous. Kind of like the old saying, “If she smokes, she pokes.” It’s a first glance assessment that I have found to trend pretty accurately if I spend any more time getting to learn what is behind the hair.

Lots of jewelry? Bleh. Expensive clothes are fine, but designer logos and flaunting the wealth tells me that I wouldn’t even want to try to afford spending time with the woman.

There’s a line in the middle between lack of concern over appearance, and the extreme focus that seems to dominate some spheres.

#204…………Oh merde, another Yareally”LOL” alert again. This guy is going to “LOL” himself to death soon. Somebody please help him.
I much preferred the P.J outbursts, though.

People insist in buying me presents every damn Christmas, which of course means I’m obliged to return the favor. (which annoys me to no end!) Thankfully my wife loves the whole gift giving/receiving thing, so she handles most of it for me. I just have to get her something cool, and I can handle one solo gift. (although it would be a lie to say trying to figure out what to get her doesn’t cause me some anxiety)

Don’t put words into my mouth, please.

Lokland – So sorry for your loss

Ana, et. all Re: Facebook – I have just north of 100 fb friends. Most from college, when I joined. Im not that into it anymore and probably should cull the list down to people I’ve interacted with in the past few years. The main reason for me is privacy concerns.

They’re constantly changing it and I’m not comfortable with the amount of info “friends of friends” can see on default. They can see just as much as people you’ve actually friended. The other day, a “friend of a friend” erroneously tagged me in a photo…

Sai, love that… “filter like a boss.” My husband is very picky, so maybe it will be like father, like son.

Ion, I think putting in effort with being in shape and dressing femininely is a great idea. But makeup has harsh chemicals which always irritated me. They even recommend pregnant women steer clear of nail polish. My thinking is, if I wouldn’t do it to a baby, why do it to myself?

Iggles, I agree. I went for a long while without using fb. Now I just try to be on there to be polite to my friends. I don’t post much.

Yeah, in the early days of Facebook, the trend was to try and get as many friends as possible. But now there’s sort of a backlash against that, and more and more people seem to be “purging” their lists

Yeah, I never saw the point in either. I deleted one person because he insisted on going on feminist rants and frequently linked to Jezebel.

No fucking way did I want to see that crap on my newsfeed and honestly he had no redeeming attributes.

I have another friend who links to Jezzie a lot, but she is also a writer, and that makes her cool in my book.

Thanks, I’m fine but she’s very upset. I can’t joke her back into happiness on this one.

You won’t be able to, so don’t even try. Just be supportive of her, and don’t be afraid to shed a manly tear in front of her. As I’ve said previously, I’ve had a few miscarriages myself. DH tried to “be strong” for me, but after a bit I just wanted to know that he shared my pain.

Again I am so sorry…

Yes, there will be another, but try to understand that your wife had a child die inside her and, I would assume, feels that a part of her died with it as well. I know you want to cheer her up, but don’t be surprised if that’s harder than you expect.

And while I’m giving unsolicited advice, nothing pissed me off more at the time than the notion that DH cared less than I did–though I realize now that, since this all went on in my body here DH could see it and the fetuses were far more real to me than to him, there was no way he was going care as much as I did.

“Yeah, I never saw the point in either. I deleted one person because he insisted on going on feminist rants and frequently linked to Jezebel.”

I’ve deleted about 300 people from facebook that I knew over the years, to about 90 folks. I’ve also deleted acquaintances for 1. talking about Obama too much in 2008. 2. annoying rants. 3. being crazy. 4. Talking about the middle east too much. 5. annoying status updates every 30 seconds. 6. Being relatives and sharing every little thing I post with my parents for discussion. 7. Being a relative and talking about sex (I REALLY don’t wanna know). 8. Hosting too many events (now they have that feature where u can ignore event solicitations, but that’s new if memory serves)..9. Attention whoring.

I’m hardly ever on Facebook anymore. :-/

Ion, I avoid most harsh household chemicals/wear gloves while cleaning, don’t use hair products or hair remover at all, and soaps/toothpaste don’t stay on me for more than a few minutes. I try to eat healthily as well and not too many processed foods.

If those women only wore a little bit of makeup, i.e. “a little blush/gloss” they would still not look amazing. Also a lot of the “before” pictures have the girl not smiling and in a bad hairstyle. I think some of the ones without makeup and the girl smiling/in a good hairstyle look just fine.

I definitely don’t think “not bother at all” is a good idea. I spend time on my body for sure! But I’m not high maintenance. I’m not so anti-makeup or dress-up that I never did it. But sooner or later the makeup has to come off. Better to send more honest signals.

Hope,

Damn. I need more powerful smilies. Not offended — horrified and amused.

2 Susan
//That Jenna Marbles video is satire
Well, duh

// – you’re supposed to think she is disgusting by the end of her “makeover.”
…and this is something I disagree with. If she wanted to do the usual “here is me looking natural and pretty – and here is me with make up and looking ugly”, she would do the make up way over the top. But she didn’t – she did exactly(!) the make up she does for her regular videos. And it works.
Maybe I was supposed to be disgusted, but I was not. Lookwise everything she did worked. In the end of her “date” video, when she starts with “What else could you do – come dressed as yourself?”, notice how she changed from a slutty dress into a T-shirt – but she didn’t(!) remove the make up.

And that was the funniest part.
Not the fact that she has to do stupid shit to look pretty.
The funny thing, is while she does shit, she knows is stupid, – it still works in the end. She DOES manage to turn herself into a human optical illusion, and she does that every day of her life. Real life.
That’s funny.

It’s like if some PUA posted a video on
“It’s not the fact that I act like a obnoxious, insulting and shallow jerk that is really funny. I know it’s stupid, you know it’s stupid, every one knows it’s stupid. That’s not the funny part.
The funny part is, that it works.”*

And coming back to the make up thing – I just saw CNN referring to Cameron Russell TED talk about her gig as a model. It touches a bit on the question of make up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Re53vgaVFvI

P.S.
My Facebook friend count is around 80-ish and I do judge people by their FB friend numbers.
In in my late 20-ies

P.S.S. *Which is an actual thing you read between the lines in some of the blogs. You almost hear the astonished whispers of “I could not imagine that shit as stupid as telling her I had to use her bathroom would actually work. Noone is that dumb” or “I am an ugly old cockmonster. AND I STILL GET LAID. Which is hillarious, and a little bit disturbing.”

To my previous comment:

The (*) was referring to the following comment, that I was supposed to make but forgot

* For me personally, the difference between Jenna’s “No make up” and “All done” is the difference between
“I would not talk to her, even if I just needed a spare pencil” and
“She’s out of my league”
(obviously I am slightly exaggerating)

The difference is stunning. The TED video above does the same for Cameron Russel, when she compares her own pictures and studio shots. But with one important caveat her own pictures are actually bad. She took her ugliest photos and compared them to something, that was polished with hours of post production. Obviously there is a huge gap.

But pointing at the made up pictures and saying “this is not how I look” is half of the story. Because her own pictures, done in crappy conditions with a crappy camera, are not how she looks either.

Ion 220,

Exactly!!! Plus (to be blunt), I’ve found that my romantic “options” are a lot better when I put in some effort. ATM, I’m in a LTR with a “greater beta” and I tend to attract attention from beta guys (not constantly, but not infrequently either). Without the nice clothes and makeup, I’d probably have fewer approaches and would have had a smaller pool of beta betas to chose from. Plus I find that people are nicer to me in general when I look nice.

…that being said, I’m *waaaaay* too lazy to put in the amount of effort that it would take to get an Alpha. (Plus I’m not sure if I even have the genetics to get there in the first place. ) It’s all about the happy medium.

Russell may be smart–I don’t doubt you, Susan–but she says some stupid things in that talk, all of them no doubt the product of a bad, blinkered education.

Susan, I remember you talking about Cameron before on here. I got the feeling from the talk that she felt like she should have chosen a different career path. I think she does look very beautiful.

I can believe there are men who find her candid photos “ugly” without the makeup, lighting and other changes. I’ve been lurking among the uncensored males since I was young. Some guys are just like that.

That was another part of my conscious strategic decisions to play down my looks. I didn’t want to be with a guy like that. I was (and am) perfectly happy with “fewer approaches” because I was after a different market.

My husband is truly the type to go for the right side Cameron than the left side.

@damien vulaume
Not exactly jokes, it’s just Czech sounds really funny to Polish ears. It’s like they are using diminutives all the times, for example. We have a lot of “fake” Czech words. But we do like Czechs a lot. I know one joke about Czechs:

Old Pole and old Czech are drinking beer together. Pole is bringing back memories of the war:
“You know, we blew up trains, we shot at the Germans in the forests, we sabotaged the industry… eh, that were the good times. What about you, my Czech friends?”
“I had not done anything resembling that. You see, Germans made it all illegal”.

But the Warszawiaks are using the same joke, placing Poznaniaks in place of Czechs

@makeup
I realised recently that there is one make up thing which is really nice: a darkening of eyelashes and generally around the eyes, if the eyes are blue. My wife has yesterday returned with such a make up from a cosmetician and she looked awesome.

Hope

“Finally, I find that the fact that I don’t dress up very fashionably and don’t wear makeup really cuts down on the subtle female competition.”

That never occurred to me, but you’re probably right.

“Back in college I wore some really skimpy stuff with tons of cleavage, miniskirts ”

It’s funny you should say that, because I definitely used to show cleavage and I don’t anymore (see pics above). But I always knew I couldn’t wear miniskirts (4′ long legs lol). But always thought my petite female friends looked great in them.

Hi, Ion, great pictures! Did you once blog? You resemble someone I remember as blogging on fashion topics.

@Ion:

It was always more about girl politics and dejecting feminism

Even though I haven’t touched that blog in FOREVER, people still write saying that they love the blog, a few have offered to take up the responsibility of posting on it. I go back and forth with wanting to delete it or keep writing on it.

Don’t post link though!

Me: I just happened to be looking through a listing of old blogs I used to follow, and so I wondered about it. I’m glad to see you’re here! I had no clue all this time! Even if you don’t write anymore, no need to delete it, though, as the posts were timeless and thus will always be useful. Of course, I will not post the link; I respect your privacy…

@Ion – love the smile

Sadly thick eyebrows and facial hair is common among women in the caribbean (latin caribbean women too).

Not for me I have scarce blondish eye brows without browliner I look awful no matter how the rest of the make up looks.

Ion,

I didn’t get a chance to comment before, but you’re very pretty.

@Ion: I realized I had seen you before (with your full abbreviation typed out) a few weeks ago. I was just like “is that…p******v*****w****?” because I have been reading your comments at various places over the years .

Me: Yes, it is! I must admit, that with gravatar, I’m having a bit of fun playing around with images. I like photos by William Claxton, I think I mentioned earlier, and the one I’m using is one he took of Chet Baker and his wife Halima…

@J: Thanks for clarifying re. the show Girls.

@Susan
Yes, she has, but she also had her eyes contour made around.

@Just1Z
Thx I got a laugh though I had troubles with understanding first half of the show. The guys accent is really… hmm.. peculiar.

Polish joke:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnem69g-vUM

“I’m sorry”
“What ‘sorry’, what ‘sorry’. You are sorry and she is hurt. Now I am sorry too”

Pvw

Cool. I think I may also set up gravatar. That’s an amazing image, but lol, I thought it was Dorothy Dandridge in a movie.