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I have been friends with this guy for about 6 months and we recently started getting closer. He's fun, hilarious, sweet, caring, attentive, and wants a serious relationship – i.e. perfect. I would love to try dating him because he has expressed interest in pursuing me seriously and we have been hanging out a lot the past month. My concern is that I'm not very sexually attracted to him. He's physically attractive, although not my type, and I love cuddling, but I never want to jump him (and I don't mean just rushing into sex; I mean all types of sexual/romantic contact) even though I have an extremely high sex drive.
Things that turned me off:
1. he asked permission to kiss me – I am a girl that is usually one of the guys so when a guy is less aggressive than me, it makes me very self-conscious and is a total turn off (I generally date very masculine men)
2. the kiss was super sloppy and all over the place. not hot. – it seems to confirm my fear that he might be too timid and inexperienced
3. when he talks about his ex, he sounds very whiny and almost victimized by their relationship – I am super independent and need someone who is equally as self-sufficient, but the way he talks about her makes me worry that he is too doting and dependent in relationships. I'm not very emotional or sensitive and he seems to make himself too available when I want a bit of a chase.
We really connect and have a lot of fun together, but the sexual aspect of a relationship is really important, especially in your 20s (we are both finishing college). So…
1. Am I being too harsh and I should give him a chance?
2. Can sexual attraction ever build or is the relationship doomed because there was no initial spark on my side?
3. How can I get him to be more assertive?
I would really appreciate any advice. I would love for the nice guy to win this one, but the situation seems rather bleak as is. Thanks!
7:48 pm
November 22, 2011
OfflineHey congenial13,
As far as I am concerned, the only red flag is #3. If he believes himself to be the victim of their relationship, he is 1) not over her, or 2) not willing to take responsibility for his part in the relationship (it takes two to tango). It's also poor form to badmouth an ex.
Regarding your questions about building sexual attraction: yes. The thought is anathema in the West, but you really don't need an overwhelming burning desire in your loins at the start of a relationship in order for it to become a successful one. That being said, sexual compatibility is important, and if you are put off to the level of repulsion when you are with him, then you should not attempt a relationship. But, the kissing and assertiveness can improve, so it's not something worth fretting over.
My advice: get to know him better, and see if there was a legitimate reason for him to have felt "victimized" by his previous relationship. If you really can't stand the thought of being in a relationship with him, be kind and let him know, then end it. Don't be surprised if he removes himself from your social circle entirely, he needs to cope.
P.S. There was a thread some time ago with another person who was in a similar situation: http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2012/02/24/relationshipstrategies/can-this-attraction-be-saved/
He was pedestalizing her and she was unattracted to him as a result. There may be some good advice for you there. The last I heard (months ago) they were still together, so it's still proof that things can and do work out.
Best of luck!
1. he asked permission to kiss me
Don't blame the guy for this, blame 40 years of feminist-fueled rape hysteria. I made this silly mistake too back when I was taking those damn blue ones.
2. the kiss was super sloppy and all over the place. not hot.
First kisses usually are sloppy, even when the people in question are skilled spit swappers. It takes time for a couple to develop a tight kissing dynamic. With that said, if you still find this to be a big issue, then he is probably not a good match.
3. when he talks about his ex, he sounds very whiny and almost victimized by their relationship
Despite our image as hardened brutes, we guys have a fragile emotional core. When women tamper with that core, we tend to do irrational things, from incessant whining (your guy) to pure evil (George Sodini). His ex probably did a real number on him. Try talking to him about it and provide encouragement/comfort when needed. When you feel that he is in a stable mood, have a polite discussion about your feelings for him. Whatever you do, however, do not shit all over him if you decide to reject him. One more bad female experience could cause him to trade in his dour attitude for a loaded gun. I'm only 23 and have been essentially turned off from women for life due to a surplus of such experiences. Trust me, it is not a fun place to be in. Do not lead your guy down that path!
1. Am I being too harsh and I should give him a chance?
Harsh? Not at all. There is no shame in finding someone unattractive.
As for your second question, giving a guy that you find unattractive a "chance" is like giving a blind person a "chance" at tightrope walking.
2. Can sexual attraction ever build or is the relationship doomed because there was no initial spark on my side?
I don't buy this "building sexual attraction" nonsense. Sexual attraction, unlike love or respect, should hit you immediately (and hard). While you clearly respect this guy, you hardly seem to lust after him. Instead of stringing him along with the hope of future sexual attraction, be honest with him and let him leave with his dignity. By encouraging him to stay with you in romantic limbo, you lessen his chances of meeting a girl who is crazy for him right off the bat. Plus, it's just plain rude.
3. How can I get him to be more assertive?
This isn't your responsibility. If you have to mold a potential mate into your image of acceptability, then you are doomed from the start. Attraction cannot be forced and the human personality is stiffer than a 13 year old boy with a box of Playboys. What your guy needs is a strong male role model to teach him the ways of the dude. Sadly, such men have become a dying breed.
"I would love for the nice guy to win this one, but the situation seems rather bleak as is."
Believe me, if a woman had the courtesy to politely turn me down instead of stringing me along or ignoring me, I would sure feel like a winner. That act alone would indicate that she considers me a person worthy of respect. It's not a matter of "nice guy"/"bad guy"; what we have here is two people who simply aren't compatible with each other.
Hope this helps.
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